Looks like Glenn Beck is right on Inflation

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15 Apr 2011, 1:32 pm

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I could care less what wikipedia says about Glenn Beck, especially when they take him out of context like the left wing drive-by media.


I do pity you.


Don't waste your pity on fools. They wouldn't waste theirs on you.


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15 Apr 2011, 1:38 pm

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Thank you, I was trying to search for the wording. Those last two factors are coming into play courtesy of Barack Obama and Democrats.

Well, they were anyway. The budget compromise has probably helped to tamp down inflationary expectations some, despite the small size of the cuts. Ryan's willingness to attack the problem of entitlements will help a lot, if his plan makes it through into law.

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psychohist, you just proved Glenn Beck was spot on and not exagerating.

Beck may not be exaggerating, but someone in this thread may be. I watched the third of the videos you posted, and Beck is mostly talking about inflation in the 10% range - the largest price increase he mentions is a Domino's pizza going up by 33%. Yet people in this thread are talking about figures in the 700%-1000% range.



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15 Apr 2011, 2:04 pm

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Beck may not be exaggerating, but someone in this thread may be. I watched the third of the videos you posted, and Beck is mostly talking about inflation in the 10% range - the largest price increase he mentions is a Domino's pizza going up by 33%. Yet people in this thread are talking about figures in the 700%-1000% range.

Those are Beck's predictions, see the first video. Or even the title of the first vid. The 33% number was the highest cited example of actual price increases, IIRC.


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15 Apr 2011, 2:32 pm

Only a ret*d dumbass would take seriously anything that Glenn Beck had to say about anything.



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15 Apr 2011, 3:15 pm

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Only a ret*d dumbass would take seriously anything that Glenn Beck had to say about anything.


That is way out of line.



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15 Apr 2011, 4:01 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Only a ret*d dumbass would take seriously anything that Glenn Beck had to say about anything.


That is way out of line.

Perhaps, but it is also true.


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15 Apr 2011, 4:04 pm

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Those are Beck's predictions, see the first video. Or even the title of the first vid. The 33% number was the highest cited example of actual price increases, IIRC.

I wasted 8 minutes watching the first video, and I don't see any mention of numerical percentages. I do see some prices that seem to me unrealistically high for the end of this year, but they're cited as the upper end of a range from some random organization, and Beck explicitly says "their figures not mine".



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15 Apr 2011, 4:52 pm

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Only a ret*d dumbass would take seriously anything that Glenn Beck had to say about anything.


That is way out of line.

Perhaps, but it is also true.


:roll:

Your comment also isn't surprising Orwell, guess we see Liberal tolerance for other people's viewpoints at work.

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Those are Beck's predictions, see the first video. Or even the title of the first vid. The 33% number was the highest cited example of actual price increases, IIRC.


I wasted 8 minutes watching the first video, and I don't see any mention of numerical percentages. I do see some prices that seem to me unrealistically high for the end of this year, but they're cited as the upper end of a range from some random organization, and Beck explicitly says "their figures not mine".


So Orwell, looks you are wrong again.



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15 Apr 2011, 5:03 pm

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guess we see Liberal tolerance for other people's viewpoints at work.


More like tolerance toward mental laziness and intellectual sloth.


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15 Apr 2011, 5:05 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Only a ret*d dumbass would take seriously anything that Glenn Beck had to say about anything.


That is way out of line.

Perhaps, but it is also true.


:roll:

Your comment also isn't surprising Orwell, guess we see Liberal tolerance for other people's viewpoints at work.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Mr. Beck is NOT an economist. He is a dumb-ass entertainer. Get that through your worthless skill.



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15 Apr 2011, 9:18 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Only a ret*d dumbass would take seriously anything that Glenn Beck had to say about anything.


That is way out of line.

Perhaps, but it is also true.


:roll:

Your comment also isn't surprising Orwell, guess we see Liberal tolerance for other people's viewpoints at work.

I am not remotely what is typically regarded as "liberal" in the modern sense. Anyways, observing that you are an idiot is not "intolerance." It is merely stating an observed fact.

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Those are Beck's predictions, see the first video. Or even the title of the first vid. The 33% number was the highest cited example of actual price increases, IIRC.


I wasted 8 minutes watching the first video, and I don't see any mention of numerical percentages. I do see some prices that seem to me unrealistically high for the end of this year, but they're cited as the upper end of a range from some random organization, and Beck explicitly says "their figures not mine".


So Orwell, looks you are wrong again.
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Oh BS. He threw in that pathetic little disclaimer so he'd have an out later. Beck was predicting hyperinflation, and throughout this thread you have also been predicting hyperinflation, not a moderate 10-ish percent increase in price levels. He agreed with those figures; he only said that he did not produce them. That doesn't change the fact that he is a lunatic, and his followers are morons.


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15 Apr 2011, 9:19 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
guess we see Liberal tolerance for other people's viewpoints at work.


Yes, and you define "Conservative tolerance" for other people's viewpoints...

:lol: You're so quick to tell people that they are "out of line". You are oblivious to how often you are the one who is out of line.


PS - if you reply to this with a " :roll: " or a "This is way out of line" or any snide remark about how anyone in this thread is "proving your point" about some generalizations you have about "liberals" or the "far left"... or, heaven help me, if you say something about "schooling" me or anyone else... ... .... guess what?? I "win"! 8)



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16 Apr 2011, 8:07 am

Orwell wrote:
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Beck may not be exaggerating, but someone in this thread may be. I watched the third of the videos you posted, and Beck is mostly talking about inflation in the 10% range - the largest price increase he mentions is a Domino's pizza going up by 33%. Yet people in this thread are talking about figures in the 700%-1000% range.

Those are Beck's predictions, see the first video. Or even the title of the first vid. The 33% number was the highest cited example of actual price increases, IIRC.


Keep in mind, when doing projections of cost increases for products, be certain to double check what you got before and what you get now.

Lots of manufacturers are re-tooling their production lines to put out smaller cans, smaller containers, smaller servings, so they don't have to raise prices as much.

This was my chief sign that the downward spiral had begun. It's problematic to shift everything into a new size can, but when they deem it necessary, it's because they don't want to raise the retail price as much as it's actually gone up on the old size can.



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18 Apr 2011, 8:19 am

If a reasoned discussion on the topic of inflation is possible, once again, it looks like inflation in China may be the biggest problem for the world right now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/busin ... s&emc=tha2

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Inflation in China Poses Big Threat to Global Trade

SHANGHAI — As the United States and Europe struggle to get their economies rolling again, China is having the opposite problem: figuring out how to keep its revved-up growth engine from generating runaway inflation.

The latest sign that things were moving too fast came on Sunday, when China’s central bank ordered the biggest banks to set aside more cash reserves.

The move essentially reduces the amount of money available for loans, and is an attempt to cool down the economy. It follows the government announcement on Friday that China’s economy was growing at an annual rate of 9.7 percent, by far the strongest performance by any of the world’s biggest economies.

Because China is now the world’s second largest economy, after the United States, and because the country has been a leading source of global growth during the last two years, money problems here can reverberate from Wal-Mart to Wall Street and the world beyond.

High inflation endangers China’s status as the low-cost workshop for the world. And if the government’s efforts to fight inflation cause the economy to stumble, that will cloud the outlook for international businesses — whether multinationals like General Electric or copper miners in Chile — that have been counting on China for growth.

Inside China, inflation also poses a threat to social stability, a particular worry for Beijing, especially since authoritarian governments in North Africa and the Middle East have become the focus of popular uprisings.

“China’s inflation is a big concern, and actual numbers are worse than officially reported,” said Carmen M. Reinhart, an economist at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington.

She says Beijing is engaged in an economic tug of war, trying to encourage sustainable growth while struggling to control inflation.

Food prices are soaring, and the government said on Friday that the consumer price index in March had risen 5.4 percent, its sharpest increase in nearly three years. Hoping to tame inflation, in the last six months Beijing has tightened restrictions on bank lending and raised interest rates on loans (to discourage borrowing) and deposits (to encourage savings).

The decision on Sunday to raise the capital reserve ratio for banks, to 20.5 percent of their cash, was the fourth such increase this year.

The government has also increased agricultural subsidies to curb food prices, and tried to forbid some Chinese companies from raising consumer prices. These efforts stand in contrast to those in the United States, where inflation is low (the underlying annual inflation rate was 1.2 percent last month) and where the debate centers on how much to stimulate the economy given the size of the deficit. Inflation is also running low in Europe, where some countries are imposing harsh austerity measures to pare their budget gaps.

But analysts say the results of this economic management have been mixed. Growth has begun to moderate from its torrid pace of about 10 percent annual growth but inflation has become worse.

For example, housing prices continue to climb even though Beijing has long promised to curb the property market and to spend billions of dollars over the next few years on affordable housing.

The average apartment in central Shanghai now costs more than $500,000. Even in second-tier cities like Chengdu, in central China, the price of a typical home costs about 25 times the average annual income of residents.

Analysts say too much of the country’s growth continues to be tied to inflationary spending on real estate development and government investment in roads, railways and other multibillion-dollar infrastructure projects.

In the first quarter of 2011, fixed asset investment — a broad measure of building activity — jumped 25 percent from the period a year earlier, and real estate investment soared 37 percent, the government said on Friday.

Some of the inflationary factors, like global commodity and food prices, may be beyond Beijing’s ability to influence. Gasoline prices have also jumped sharply, in line with global oil prices. As the world’s largest car market, China’s demand for fuel is soaring, and gasoline prices are close to $4.50 a gallon, up from $3.82 a gallon in late 2009.

Rising food prices, meanwhile, are showing up in various ways — including higher prices at fast-food chains, like Master Kong, which in January raised the price of its popular instant noodles by about 10 percent.

China’s current supercharged boom began in early 2009, during the global financial crisis, when Beijing moved aggressively to increase growth with a $586 billion stimulus package and record lending by state-run banks.

The loose monetary policy, and big investments in local government projects, did revive economic growth. But even at the time there were already concerns about soaring property prices, undisciplined bank lending and the huge debts being amassed by local governments.

The fear among some experts is that the bubble will eventually burst, leading to a wave of nonperforming loans at the big state-owned Chinese banks, which have been the main financiers of the nation’s phenomenal growth dating to the economic reforms in the 1980s.

Some economists have begun to argue that high inflation may be around for some time. Here again, the tug of war is evident.

To encourage the growth of a consumer market that will help meet the Chinese people’s demand to share the nation’s wealth, Beijing and many municipal governments have required employers to raise wages.

The government has raised minimum wages in the hope of reducing the big income gap between the rich and the poor, and the urban and rural. But higher wages drive up the costs of production, leading to higher prices. Some experts say rising wages may be an unavoidable inflationary force for years to come.

“China is moving into a new era, a new norm,” said Dong Tao, an economist at Credit Suisse in Hong Kong. “In the previous decade, inflation was about 1.8 percent a year; in the next decade, it may be closer to 5 percent.”

The implications of such a shift are huge, not just for domestic consumers but perhaps even more so for exports. As wages and production costs rise, coastal factories are demanding higher prices for the goods they ship overseas. That means Americans, Europeans and other buyers will have to pay more for those goods or seek lower-cost suppliers elsewhere. In some cases, retailers are bidding for goods at prices the exporters consider too low.

“I hear that many Chinese exporters are rejecting orders from Wal-Mart and other Western retailers,” Mr. Tao said. “I’ve been covering the Chinese economy for a long time, and I’ve never heard that before.”

Many analysts say the government is going to have to do even more to slow the economy, through measures like placing additional restrictions on lending and continuing to raise interest rates, the textbook methods of fighting inflation by tightening the nation’s money supply.

But the mixed results so far do not inspire widespread confidence. In fact, some experts say that despite the Communist Party’s efforts to manage the economy by committee, the absence of a top autonomous central banker — Beijing has no equivalent of the United States Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke — means no one actually has a hand on the growth throttle.

“The roots of inflation were laid down after the financial crisis, with the stimulus policy,” said Zhang Weiying, a professor of economics at Peking University.

After a big stimulus, stamping out inflation is not easy, Professor Zhang said. “It may take a long time.”

Citizens like Wang Jianren, 56, a retiree in Shanghai, a bustling city of 20 million, say that over the years China has benefited from its rapid economic growth. But like so many here, he complains that inflation is beginning to erode those gains.

“Prices have gone up a lot,” Mr. Wang said at an indoor vegetable market on Friday. “Unstable prices make people nervous and make society unstable. In this sense, our generation even has some nostalgia for Mao’s era.”


Now, just because the source isn't some lunatic from Fox News doesn't mean that this is wrong. :roll:



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18 Apr 2011, 5:19 pm

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Standard & Poor's lowered its outlook for the nation's long-term debt Monday, saying the political grousing over the deficit could put more pressure on the still shaky economic recovery.

"The outlook reflects our view of the increased risk that the political negotiations over when and how to address both the medium- and long-term fiscal challenges will persist until at least after national elections in 2012," said S&P credit analyst Nikola Swann.

S&P maintained its top-tier 'AAA/A-1+' credit rating on U.S. sovereign debt, saying the nation's "highly diversified" economy and "effective monetary policies" have helped support growth. But the ratings agency lowered its outlook for America's long-term credit rating to "negative" from "stable."

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/18/news/ec ... /index.htm

I suppose you are telling me this article is a figment of my imagination then?



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18 Apr 2011, 6:30 pm

Congratulations on actually reading something that didn't come from Fox News or another trashy source.

Still, your article doesn't suggest inflation.