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19 Oct 2011, 1:42 pm

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Just jumping in here (against my better judgement), but has anyone even considered the fact that forcing women to carry pregnancies to term is impossible? There is no correlation between abortion rates and legality to suggest that outlawing abortion actually reduces abortion rates.

Actually there is and the correlation is statistically obvious. From 1970-73 as abortion steadily became more legal within the US the numbers tripled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_s ... ite_note-1 (wiki referencing the CDC)

The same massive upswing is evident also in the UK.

UK http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/ ... ngdom.html

Your numbers are extremely faulty. Your US numbers from the wiki page completely omit illegal abortions, as well as any data prior to 1970. Your UK numbers state not a single illegal abortion after 1974. We know that illegal abortions still occur even when it's legal (various reasons - secrecy, financial, etc.).

Here is a much more comprehensive study (peer-reviewed and even posted by Fox at one point) that finds abortion rates to be similar between developed (mostly legal) and developing (mostly illegal) countries.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance ... X/abstract

It always has been, and will continue to be a woman's choice. Legality is irrelevant.

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19 Oct 2011, 1:51 pm

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Joker, could you actualy add something rather than use mockery to hide the fact that you're not making a point?

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19 Oct 2011, 1:57 pm

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Joker, could you actualy add something rather than use mockery to hide the fact that you're not making a point?

I have all ready made several point's my view's wil not change regardless of what other people have already said.

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19 Oct 2011, 2:16 pm

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There is absolutely no shortage of people who want to adopt a white infant.

Way less people who want to adopt a black or hispanic infant.

Well this is great

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A whole lot less people who want to adopt a kid of any color with emotional and behavioral issues who've been removed from the care of unfit parents.

How superficial. Although I would say that this has not so much to do with abortion issues.

It has everything to do with abortion issues.

You are asking that all possible pregnancies be brought to term. Unless you're OK with infanticide, this means that someone has to care for these children.

The mountain of empiric evidence available suggests that the vast majority of unplanned pregnancies, if brought to term, result in a child bring brought up in an inadequate environment.

Abuse and neglect are what they have to look forward to.

How many kids have you adopted?

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19 Oct 2011, 2:50 pm

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Gedrene wrote:

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There is absolutely no shortage of people who want to adopt a white infant.

Way less people who want to adopt a black or hispanic infant.

Well this is great

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A whole lot less people who want to adopt a kid of any color with emotional and behavioral issues who've been removed from the care of unfit parents.

How superficial. Although I would say that this has not so much to do with abortion issues.

So all children in foster homes are abused and neglected hmm I think my good friend Brody would disagree he was raised in a foster home and was later on adopted he was not abused.

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19 Oct 2011, 3:32 pm

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But aren't those numbers based on reported abortions?

It stands to reason that when prohibition ends, reporting will increase, because illegally performed abortions which were previously clandestine can now be safely reported by the physicians performing them.

What is far more interesting to me are the statistics on maternal health. Globally, unsafe abortions (either illegal, or performed without proper medical supervision) are estimated to contribute to 13% of maternal morbidity (death during pregnancy, or within 42 days of delivery or termination of the pregnancy).

So, from a public policy perspective, I pose the question: will banning abortion prevent a substantial number of women with unwanted pregnancies from seeking termination of their pregnancies? How many women will die, or face permanent infertility as a result of unsafe abortions sought out in violation of such a ban? Will the remedy be worse than the disease?

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19 Oct 2011, 4:19 pm

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In the U.S., 17% of abortions are performed on girls younger than 19. These are children themselves. What good would come from a policy that results in children seeking out unsafe abortions? (Just posing an additional question, not asking you specifically. I think we're pretty much in agreement here.)

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/compare ... 464&cat=10

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19 Oct 2011, 4:32 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

There is absolutely no shortage of people who want to adopt a white infant.

Way less people who want to adopt a black or hispanic infant.

Well this is great

blauSamstag wrote:

A whole lot less people who want to adopt a kid of any color with emotional and behavioral issues who've been removed from the care of unfit parents.

How superficial. Although I would say that this has not so much to do with abortion issues.

I was saying that the last part didn't have much to do with abortion. Don't scrabble in some accusation about infanticide. The last part had to do with child care because if children were known to have had emotional or behavioural issues they likely weren't a neonate.

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[The mountain of empiric evidence available suggests that the vast majority of unplanned pregnancies, if brought to term, result in a child bring brought up in an inadequate environment.

Except that I have not seen this mountain. I haven't even seen a molehill. Reporting evidence isn't evidence. Furthermore I give adoption as an alternative, and all you do is try to skirt around it with what it is suggested people do with children of certain demographics. I on the other hand actually show why adoption is being slow.

quote="blauSamstag"]Abuse and neglect are what they have to look forward to.

How many kids have you adopted?[/quote]
Oh what sort of question is that? Is my own life even relevant? Is whether I have adopted children relevant to whether lots of people want to adopt or whether there is a dearth of people to adopt? Are you just pumping empty rhetoric in or what?

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19 Oct 2011, 4:36 pm

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Depends. if the girl's health is threatened then why ruin her health with a pregnancy? If however there is no threat and no coercion by rape (as I have already stated about fifty times) then why kill a Human? Because of shame? Because you'll be looked down upon? Shame and hate upon such a society that thinks such things. Shame and hate.

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19 Oct 2011, 4:50 pm

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So all children in foster homes are abused and neglected hmm I think my good friend Brody would disagree he was raised in a foster home and was later on adopted he was not abused.

You're missing the point.

How did he end up in foster care?

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19 Oct 2011, 4:55 pm

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Joker wrote:

So all children in foster homes are abused and neglected hmm I think my good friend Brody would disagree he was raised in a foster home and was later on adopted he was not abused.

You're missing the point.

How did he end up in foster care?

My good friend Brody who goes to my church one told me his parents had passed away when he was just a baby he was placed into a orphonage then to a foster home he was adopted by a memmber of my church a very sweet and caring women

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19 Oct 2011, 4:55 pm

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Individual reasons vary, but I think shame or concern of what others might think would be near the bottom of the list in this day and age. Getting knocked up isn't much of a taboo anymore. Girls aren't sent off to secret homes like they used to be (at least not nearly as often). No, I think most girls just get scared out of their minds, and rightfully so. Pregnancy, birth, and parenthood are big game changers. But again, reasoning is somewhat irrelevant. Girls will make their own choices either way, and at least a handful of them will not be good ones. Why not ensure their safety whenever possible?

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19 Oct 2011, 4:57 pm

again with the absolutes,
of ccourse there are good foster homes and brilliant adooptive parents

then there is

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"In this lavishly-funded program caseloads were kept low and both workers and foster parents got special training. This was not ordinary foster care, this was Cadillac Foster Care," he explained.

In this "exemplary" program, 24 percent of the girls responding to a survey said they were victims of actual or attempted sexual abuse in the one home in which they had stayed the longest. Significantly, they were not even asked about the other foster homes in which they had stayed

it is from THIS website
it gives sources for every single fact used, first i found on google.

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19 Oct 2011, 5:04 pm

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again with the absolutes,
of ccourse there are good foster homes and brilliant adooptive parents

then there is

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it is from THIS website
it gives sources for every single fact used, first i found on google.

Their are good foster care homes I feel so awful for the bad thing's that happen to children in some foster care homes if I had the money I would adopt as many of them as I could.

I have volenteered to help at foster homes befor and have joined big brother programms just to hang out with them an become a good influence on those children some might not like my views on abortion but I have very deep emotional veiws on the many homeless orphans and foster children in America and all around the world :cry:

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19 Oct 2011, 5:17 pm

Gedrene wrote:

Sorry if you took it that way.

I mean they have emotional and behavioral issues due to their parent(s) being unfit to keep goldfish, let alone raise a child.

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Oh what sort of question is that? Is my own life even relevant? Is whether I have adopted children relevant to whether lots of people want to adopt or whether there is a dearth of people to adopt? Are you just pumping empty rhetoric in or what?

Really I just like to remind the anti-abortion crowd that their moral responsibility extends beyond the womb.

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19 Oct 2011, 5:33 pm

I have started another thread about Adoption Orphanges and Foster Homes also

Foster children are at increased risk for a variety of eating disorders, in comparison to the general population.

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