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05 Jul 2012, 8:43 pm

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You do know the what the definition of "sympathy" is, right? Do you sympathize with Breivik, or not?

Not deeply, but I understand why he decided to believe what he did. Just like I understand why the French were angry at their king, or the Americans were angry at the British government. Anyway, back to the point. Are you going to present me with proper argumentation either for what you tried to drag me into or against what I've said, are you going to apologise for being absolutely wrong, or are you going to continue insulting me?

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05 Jul 2012, 8:44 pm

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And just for the record, I think it's immoral to bring a child into this world if you live in poverty. I, personally, would never have a child if I struggled financially. Yet, people simply do not understand this concept. I know liberals do, that's why they are so adamant about abortion. It's all about population control for them and a reason to have government around because society is too f***ing stupid to take care of themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if someday, in an advanced liberal society, they had forced abortions, and executed their young before a certain pre-determined age limit that fit into their twisted societal philosophy.

quoted for the content within,

tells the whole story.

You make me laugh.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:44 pm

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Delphiki wrote:

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Yet, if you took responsibility, you would be able to function without living off the government.

They have three jobs - and support dependants. As far as I can tell you have no dependants at all, and probably just one job. Perhaps your parents are even helping you out. Are you sure you understand what it is to be responsible?

I go to university but am staying at my mom's house because I got sick. I have no dependents (thank god) and my parent's do help me out. The difference is they choose freely whether to help me out of not. When the government helps someone out, it forces other people to help by taking their hard earned money. It's immoral. My parent's told me to apply for disability because of my condition but I told them no because I don't agree with it in principle unless it's absolutely necessary.

What would you have done if they said no?

I would have asked to live with another relative. If everyone declined (unlikely) I would have been forced to go back to school (which I would probably do) or get a job. Again, you guys are missing the point. The point is my relatives CHOOSE to help me. They are not forced to. There is no government mandate and they are definitely not bound in any legal way. My parent's have raised me with this notion of responsibility.

And my parents raised me to be open minded.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:44 pm

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I would have asked to live with another relative. If everyone declined (unlikely) I would have been forced to go back to school (which I would probably do) or get a job.

Wow. Just ... wow. So you force your parents to support you so you don't have to get a job, and you're lecturing a guy with three jobs about responsibility?

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05 Jul 2012, 8:45 pm

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I would have asked to live with another relative. If everyone declined (unlikely) I would have been forced to go back to school (which I would probably do) or get a job.

Wow. Just ... wow. So you force your parents to support you so you don't have to get a job, and you're lecturing a guy with three jobs about responsibility?

I was going to say something similar, good luck finding a job right now bizboy.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:45 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:

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You do know the what the definition of "sympathy" is, right? Do you sympathize with Breivik, or not?

You said you understood how Breivik feels. That's sympathy. If you consider it an insult, you have insulted yourself.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:46 pm

even that seems excessive considering the ideological statements breivik engaged in.

he felt superior, plain and simple and he wanted to show that superiority and his disdain for the average norwegians view on the matter by killing people, its fundementalism plain and simple and nothing justifies that in my book.

keep in mind he held these views for quite a long time before the incidence, it was not a direct reaction.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:46 pm

edgewaters wrote:

bizboy1 wrote:

edgewaters wrote:

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Yet, if you took responsibility, you would be able to function without living off the government.

I go to university but am staying at my mom's house because I got sick. I have no dependents (thank god) and my parent's do help me out.

Then you are not responsible for yourself, or anyone else. You're really not qualified to lecture anyone about responsibility, until you know what it is actually like to be responsible for yourself. Even then, you're still not qualified to lecture someone who is responsible for themselves plus others.

Yes I am. I can have an opinion on this matter. And as a taxpayer, I feel like I have an obligation to defend my philosophy. One does not need to have a kid and be married to lecture on responsibility. It's a basic notion, something you don't seem to grasp.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:46 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:

edgewaters wrote:

You do know the what the definition of "sympathy" is, right? Do you sympathize with Breivik, or not?

Not deeply, but I understand why he decided to believe what he did. Just like I understand why the French were angry at their king, or the Americans were angry at the British government.

That is disgusting, truly revolting. Breivik and his actions are not comparable to American and French revolutionaries. He is in the same camp as Muslim terrorists as well as homegrown US terrorists like Ted Kaczynski and Timothy McVeigh.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:48 pm

edgewaters wrote:

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I would have asked to live with another relative. If everyone declined (unlikely) I would have been forced to go back to school (which I would probably do) or get a job.

Wow. Just ... wow. So you force your parents to support you so you don't have to get a job, and you're lecturing a guy with three jobs about responsibility?

My parent's provide some services to me, although minor. The main service I'm getting is a room to stay at. I'm using my savings that I earned through scholarships and jobs I've worked at to support me right now. I'm largely independent. And, yes, I'm lecturing a guy takes money from taxpayers and seems to be content with it.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:48 pm

Vigilans wrote:

HisDivineMajesty wrote:

edgewaters wrote:

You do know the what the definition of "sympathy" is, right? Do you sympathize with Breivik, or not?

Not deeply, but I understand why he decided to believe what he did. Just like I understand why the French were angry at their king, or the Americans were angry at the British government.

QFT.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:49 pm

edgewaters wrote:

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I would have asked to live with another relative. If everyone declined (unlikely) I would have been forced to go back to school (which I would probably do) or get a job.

Wow. Just ... wow. So you force your parents to support you so you don't have to get a job, and you're lecturing a guy with three jobs about responsibility?

I'm done arguing with you. I'm not going to waste my thought on your poor logic anymore.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:49 pm

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You said you understood how Breivik feels. That's sympathy. If you consider it an insult, you have insulted yourself.

There's a difference between having sympathies and understanding someone's point of view. If you've ever been attacked by muslims, as I have, you'd probably understand why he felt like that.

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To be honest, I don't see the difference. They committed acts of violence in support of a political ideal. American revolutionaries weren't exactly friendly or fair to their enemies, French revolutionaries murdered incredible amounts of people, and forced many more into military slavery. And Joker, if all you have to add is that you think something is true, don't comment.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:50 pm

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Oodain wrote:

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quoted for the content within,

tells the whole story.

You make me laugh.

glad i did,

let me put a little context to that,

you actually believe that dozens if not hundreds of different groups, in different places, with different takes and relationships with the ideologies they identify with, all reach the exact same extreme decision of forced abortions and executions.

if that is not a perfect textbook case of oversimplification and lack of perspective i dont know what is.

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05 Jul 2012, 8:51 pm

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Responsibility isn't a notion. You ARE responsible, or you aren't. Having notions or opinions doesn't make you responsible.

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05 Jul 2012, 9:07 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:

To be honest, I don't see the difference. They committed acts of violence in support of a political ideal.

You see no difference between a political body declaring itself independent, or supplanting an uninterested and tyrannical government, and a psychopathic mass murderer? Who made a point to cause emergency services to be distracted so he could maximize how many unarmed young people he could kill?

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American revolutionaries weren't exactly friendly or fair to their enemies,

Look at the time period, and show me a time of war or even peace that was truly "friendly" by today's standards. The American revolutionaries fought against the British Army. Not unarmed civilians, with a carefully executed plan to maximize the killing.

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French revolutionaries murdered incredible amounts of people, and forced many more into military slavery.

Military slavery is a fact of life even in the 21st century. It is called a draft. The revolution the French started had good goals to begin with (get rid of the Bourbons) but it was quickly taken over by radicals who were more interested in removing opposition to their own tyranny

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