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06 Feb 2013, 11:17 am

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Really though, her entire schtick is being a female misogynist,

I don't get it. In what respect is she a female misogynist? She doesn't come across as hating women.

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so yeah, just like certain members here,


I don't think that I've come across any female misogynists here.

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I get the impression she's mostly trolling.


What do you mean by "trolling?" Simply saying things with which you disagree? By that standard, anyone who is saying anything at all worthwhile would be "trolling", as someone would disagree with what he was saying.



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06 Feb 2013, 2:38 pm

I didn't mean she's like some people here in terms of being a female misogynist, but rather that I just don't think there's any point in offering any sort of validation to her online presence. And no, that's not my standard for trolling, I mean that she says intentionally outlandish and hateful things, in order to provoke the viewing audience, and I don't have the patience to pretend she doesn't know any better.


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06 Feb 2013, 3:36 pm

To me, she seems very well researched, coherent, and erudite. Outlandish, yes. I like someone who takes a perspective that goes outside of the box. Hateful: I don't think so, although I haven't listened to all of her material, or even most of it. Provocative: yes, very thought-provoking.



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06 Feb 2013, 4:39 pm

Aspies have a chronic inability to stick up for themselves. In many states in the U.S one could likely recover civilly under the doctrine of Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress under severe cases. A woman filing a frivolous complaint not based on actual behavior could likely be found liable, depending on other circumstances. When I pass the bar next year, I would like to take a pro bono case to test this possibility and then publicize it if I'm successful.

The IIED doctrine takes the peculiar sensitivities of the plaintiff into account so long as the defendant was aware of them, so it would only strengthen the case if the woman was aware of the plaintiff's disability.



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06 Feb 2013, 7:09 pm

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Aspies have a chronic inability to stick up for themselves. In many states in the U.S one could likely recover civilly under the doctrine of Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress under severe cases. A woman filing a frivolous complaint not based on actual behavior could likely be found liable, depending on other circumstances. When I pass the bar next year, I would like to take a pro bono case to test this possibility and then publicize it if I'm successful.

The IIED doctrine takes the peculiar sensitivities of the plaintiff into account so long as the defendant was aware of them, so it would only strengthen the case if the woman was aware of the plaintiff's disability.


If Aspies have a chronic inability to stick up for themselves then it can work both ways.

The person with Asperger's could be subjected to a lot of harrassment and behaviour that makes him/her uncomfortable without ever saying anything about it.



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06 Feb 2013, 7:20 pm

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Tyri0n wrote:
Aspies have a chronic inability to stick up for themselves. In many states in the U.S one could likely recover civilly under the doctrine of Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress under severe cases. A woman filing a frivolous complaint not based on actual behavior could likely be found liable, depending on other circumstances. When I pass the bar next year, I would like to take a pro bono case to test this possibility and then publicize it if I'm successful.

The IIED doctrine takes the peculiar sensitivities of the plaintiff into account so long as the defendant was aware of them, so it would only strengthen the case if the woman was aware of the plaintiff's disability.


If Aspies have a chronic inability to stick up for themselves then it can work both ways.

The person with Asperger's could be subjected to a lot of harrassment and behaviour that makes him/her uncomfortable without ever saying anything about it.


It took a lot of practice for me to learn how to stick up for myself. I'm not aware of women filing frivolous complaints with prior knowledge and understanding of the defendant's disability... is that a thing now? From what I gather, most women don't even report assaults or harassment etc.


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06 Feb 2013, 7:24 pm

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It took a lot of practice for me to learn how to stick up for myself. I'm not aware of women filing frivolous complaints with prior knowledge and understanding of the defendant's disability... is that a thing now? From what I gather, most women don't even report assaults or harassment etc.


I don't really know how to stick up for myself and protect myself except by isolating myself.



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06 Feb 2013, 7:36 pm

To me, a person is a creep if he flirts with me, etc. after I've already told him once (in legal terms, "put him on notice") to stop. No justification - "I'm taken," etc. - is required other than the fact I want him to leave me alone.

As a young woman who has watched her mother take legal action against two romantically interested stalkers over the years - including one who told his nieces they were engaged when my mother never saw him as more than a friend, then committed suicide and apologized for killing us in his note - and been stalked by my ex boyfriend.d online and over the phone, I can safely say I know what a creep is and Ohio's legal protocol for dealing with them.

In short, in the cases described above? Not creep shaming. It isn't shaming to call a spade a spade.


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06 Feb 2013, 8:11 pm

Ah, the sadness of unrequited love

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06 Feb 2013, 11:43 pm

meems wrote:
seaturtleisland wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Aspies have a chronic inability to stick up for themselves. In many states in the U.S one could likely recover civilly under the doctrine of Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress under severe cases. A woman filing a frivolous complaint not based on actual behavior could likely be found liable, depending on other circumstances. When I pass the bar next year, I would like to take a pro bono case to test this possibility and then publicize it if I'm successful.

The IIED doctrine takes the peculiar sensitivities of the plaintiff into account so long as the defendant was aware of them, so it would only strengthen the case if the woman was aware of the plaintiff's disability.


If Aspies have a chronic inability to stick up for themselves then it can work both ways.

The person with Asperger's could be subjected to a lot of harrassment and behaviour that makes him/her uncomfortable without ever saying anything about it.


It took a lot of practice for me to learn how to stick up for myself. I'm not aware of women filing frivolous complaints with prior knowledge and understanding of the defendant's disability... is that a thing now? From what I gather, most women don't even report assaults or harassment etc.


All I know is what's been reported here. I've never seen or experienced a woman reporting harassment unjustifiably. I once brought a sexual harassment complaint against a fellow male.

But a lot of members claim to have experienced things that, if true, would qualify as IIED. It could be they are lying (they actually did something terrible to a woman), or their perception of what happened is skewed by their neurological disability, or it could be true in some cases.

I'm torn on this issue. I can imagine myself being unable to defend myself against false charges. On the other hand, my dating odds would only improve if a few more aggressive men ended up behind bars.

For what it's worth, I have a unique ability to attract bitter female hatred, and I've more than once ended up in nasty/petty fights with girls, and it's never led to a false sexual harassment accusation, or even the hint of one. Girls fight with me like they fight with each other. Given the existence of strong motive, this leads me to believe that false accusations of sexual harassment are not something that women typically bring out of pure spite.

I had an especially nasty weeks-long feud with a girl last year where the girl threatened to report me falsely for cheating on an assignment, but it never came to much. She clearly hated me a lot, and a fraudulent sexual harassment complaint probably would have done a lot of damage. But the issue of sexual harassment was never raised.



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07 Feb 2013, 7:11 am

EmoGlambertAspie wrote:
To me, a person is a creep if he flirts with me, etc. after I've already told him once (in legal terms, "put him on notice") to stop. No justification - "I'm taken," etc. - is required other than the fact I want him to leave me alone.

As a young woman who has watched her mother take legal action against two romantically interested stalkers over the years - including one who told his nieces they were engaged when my mother never saw him as more than a friend, then committed suicide and apologized for killing us in his note - and been stalked by my ex boyfriend.d online and over the phone, I can safely say I know what a creep is and Ohio's legal protocol for dealing with them.

In short, in the cases described above? Not creep shaming. It isn't shaming to call a spade a spade.


Ohio, eh?

I live in Ohio too, and I can safely say it's one of the worst states in regards to justice and how it's applied. At least you were able to get out of these situations.


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07 Feb 2013, 7:45 am

EmoGlambertAspie wrote:
As a young woman who has watched her mother take legal action against two romantically interested stalkers over the years - including one who told his nieces they were engaged when my mother never saw him as more than a friend, then committed suicide and apologized for killing us in his note - and been stalked by my ex boyfriend.d online and over the phone, I can safely say I know what a creep is and Ohio's legal protocol for dealing with them.

Then you'd be wrong.
Creep - Noun, Slang. a boring, disturbingly eccentric, painfully introverted, or obnoxious person.
Not suffering from mental illness as you've described. Stalking is a mental illness, suicidal intent is a mental illness, suicide is an act carried out because of mental illness, Fantasists are very common with various different mental illnesses - all of which you've claimed is "creepy" is really just "someone badly suffering with undiagnosed mental illness" - very different from Creepy.


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It isn't shaming to call a spade a spade.

And it's discrimination when using discriminating words incorrectly.



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07 Feb 2013, 8:04 am

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Creep - Noun, Slang. a boring, disturbingly eccentric, painfully introverted, or obnoxious person.


Hey! That's me all over! :oops:



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07 Feb 2013, 10:15 am

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To me, she seems very well researched, coherent, and erudite. Outlandish, yes. I like someone who takes a perspective that goes outside of the box. Hateful: I don't think so, although I haven't listened to all of her material, or even most of it. Provocative: yes, very thought-provoking.


Have you checked the sources that she cites? I've seen some videos from her where the sources she cites doesn't really support what she says in the videos. She's good at picking and choosing stuff selectively.



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07 Feb 2013, 11:15 am

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To me, she seems very well researched, coherent, and erudite. Outlandish, yes. I like someone who takes a perspective that goes outside of the box. Hateful: I don't think so, although I haven't listened to all of her material, or even most of it. Provocative: yes, very thought-provoking.


Have you checked the sources that she cites? I've seen some videos from her where the sources she cites doesn't really support what she says in the videos. She's good at picking and choosing stuff selectively.


Well, no, I haven't fact-checked her material, as a critical viewer should.

I also have practically no social-science background upon which to draw.

So, yes, my opinion is basically worth about two cents right now.



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07 Feb 2013, 3:52 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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ArrantPariah wrote:
To me, she seems very well researched, coherent, and erudite. Outlandish, yes. I like someone who takes a perspective that goes outside of the box. Hateful: I don't think so, although I haven't listened to all of her material, or even most of it. Provocative: yes, very thought-provoking.


Have you checked the sources that she cites? I've seen some videos from her where the sources she cites doesn't really support what she says in the videos. She's good at picking and choosing stuff selectively.


Well, no, I haven't fact-checked her material, as a critical viewer should.

I also have practically no social-science background upon which to draw.

So, yes, my opinion is basically worth about two cents right now.


I think all of our opinions on WP and in most situations are worth about two cents... maybe less.


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