It's stupid when feminists say that porn is misogynistic

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I find mere bad sex triggers traumatic memories of worse things. I could be with a partner doing it wrong and tell them to stop but I couldn't just grin and bear it. The thought of other people grinning and bearing it grosses me out slightly. This is why I don't want straight porn, or have casual sex with men.

You weren't shocked that he put it on the Internet in the first place then?

That sounds like an invasion of privacy to but sex videos on the internet without the permission of people involved.

There are things that we can do to make it not so great.

Well to be honest, during some particularly good sex once I tore up a guys back pretty bad. And bit him kinda hard on his shoulders and arms. I wasn't trying to be mean at all, and at the time he was not complaining at all, but afterwards he as upset because it hurt. So, while that might not be considered bad sex to him right then, if he hadn't been as caught up in it and in the zone like he was he would have felt it when I did that and probably wouldn't have just grinned and put up with it. He wouldn't do it again with me till I either cut my nails or he tied me up.

Or, one thing that some girls do I hear is just lay there during it. No movement, no enthusiasm, nothing like that. I'm sure that even though the guy is having pleasure, it's not as much as it could be if the girl actually responded.

And yeah, your penis can suffer during bad or incorrectly performed sex. Trust me on that one. While it probably won't have as much trauma as a raped woman's vagina. Then again, badly performed sex isn't going to tear her up like rape will. Rough sex can. Actually, when I tore that guys back and shoulders and arms up really bad and he didn't notice, we were having some kind of rough sex, and while it was nothing at all like the trauma of rape, I did end up with some bruises bleeding and a few marks after. I only give that example of the rough sex where we both got hurt as possible "bad sex" because some people may not like that, although I doubt anybody is going to just grin and bear that without liking it. Or being paid for it.

There are quite a lot of things women can do for it not to be good sex for the guy. And the penis is not the only place on a guy that is sexually responsive either.

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Nope, not at all. She was going through a kind of wild period then.

Yeah it was an invasion of privacy but since the video showed a lot more than sex, that was not her biggest problem. Long story. It's off the internet now. Plus, the fact that the ass sent it to the judge in her court case and didn't get any charge or fine or anything makes me wonder. But that was last year and things are better for her now. Much better.

None of that is true, Ms. Olive Oil. In fact, my picture of you as some innocent mother-like figure remains intact, no matter what you say.

I think I wouldn’t want to have sex with her unless I can make her respond by playing a little with her first. It sounds like masturbating against an inanimate object, and I’ve had plenty of that.



It still seems to require a lot of active coöperation from the man. Without it, the woman would have to fight him to do much more than hug him with her legs, and that seems pretty unlikely to damage his penis.

I appreciate your insight, and I don’t want to look like I’m trying to lecture you or anybody else on something I obviously know almost nothing about (there seems to be an aspie tendency for that, and I definitely have it), but, according to what I’ve read and what I’ve heard women say, sex can become unenjoyable for women in much more subtle ways than due to physical injury, and they can also be easily injured by an unwanted penetration, without the need to catch them off guard and make a strange motion like you’d have to do to damage a man’s penis. From a naïve male point of view, it’s hard to imagine how this works, but it makes sense considering evolution tends to make females much more picky than males, so there is indeed a reason to expect that something will prevent them from enjoying sex with a mate they don’t like very much, in a much more profound way than it would happen to a man.

I’ve similarly learned as purely theoretical knowledge that it’s generally very unpleasant, invasive and degrading for a woman, e.g., to have a breast caressed out of the blue. It’s hard for me to relate, because, barring unessential factors like fearing she’d mug me or something like that, if a woman were to just caress my chest, I’d be very unlikely not to enjoy it at least a little. It took me a few years since I first devoted some thought to this to develop a dim idea about the great deal of trust every little move towards physical intimacy takes for a woman. Even if she were actually stronger than the man, she’d still have a female brain, adapted to the opposite case. I’m not used to being knowingly feared, so it took me this long to realize a woman is actually showing courage when she makes certain advances. Knowing this makes it all the more lovely.

Well, one could say that porn in the black market is a form of amateur pornography. It's not regulated and it could even have once been a personal tape. In fact, with amateur stuff, that actually happens a lot. Plenty of ex lovers will release old sex tapes to the internet as a form of revenge. This is a huge issue as the victims of this may not have been aware they were being recorded at the time and they often get harassed and stalked by people. At least with a professional, they know what they are getting into, they are well aware of what is happening and they are more likely to get people to help them out in case of any legal problems.

In 2004, porn star Darren James was diagnosed with HIV. Because of this, the mainstream porn industry in the states almost completely shut down. The fact that they regularly test the performers, recommend the use of condoms (in some companies, it is a requirement) and were willing to stop filming until they investigated the other performers shows that the mainstream porn industry in the united states is, by and large, concerned with the welfare of their performers. And while many businesses do evil things, the porn industry are especially f****d if they are doing something illegal, especially considering how many people are actively trying to ban it or restrict what they do.

I think it's interesting that you accuse current porn stars of lying for the industry and don't question the intentions of the ones attacking it. How do I know that these people are genuine and why would these current porn stars lie? And even if they are genuine, how would it mean that the entire industry is wrong? It could be that particular director or that particular company or whatever.

You don't agree with banning the porn industry, but you want to boycott people that want to make money from sex on camera? That's the same thing as boycotting the industry. Or is it that they can make so much money until you think it's wrong? How much are people allowed to make from sex, Puddingmouse? How much until you think it's unethical and exploitation? If I paint something and sell it in a gallery for, say, £2000, is that unethical? What about if someone makes a print of it and I get a share of the profit? Does it devalue my work if it's printed on paper or viewable on a screen? To me, what you are saying about sex is tantamount to saying that I can't sell my art for "serious money" because that's somehow immoral to make a profit from my own work, of my own volition.

Oh, I see that you watched the video I sent you, but you still haven't named the other ex-porn stars you mentioned. If you can give me a list of names, I would be very grateful.

Prohibition is only good for mafias. Let people do whatever they want with their own bodies.

Sex and art aren't the same thing. The analogy doesn't even work because no-one was ever raped by a painting or felt degraded when making a collage.

Too much money (FOR ME) is simply when it's made primarily for the money instead of just the kick of having sex on camera.

As for the privacy thing - there's the issue that they're not going to recall your video if you don't want it out there any more in pro porn. Not that that negates the problem with amatuer you raised, which is a valid point.

Anyway, you can't make me watch pro porn just like I can't make you stop watching it. I don't like professional porn. It's boring and joyless and exploitative in the same way every other capitalist enterprise is. I'm not obliged to like it. I don't like watching people have sex for money. It's not my thing. I don't like the idea of money and sex mixing. That's just the way I am.

I can't be bothered with the discussion, or getting you that long list. You can take this as you winning the debate, if you like - I'm not bothered. People have different values when it comes to sex. Go and enjoy yourself.

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Well, it is misogynistic, because it objectifies women by reducing them to objects or bodies that get oggled at and commodified. This may not even apply to all porn, but this does apply to a significant portion of what's produced.

... and the real world consequences of these dreadful processes for actual people are...?

There's a growing generation of kids exposed to this stuff, and its probably bringing them up with unrealistic expectations about sex and just generally head f*****g an entire generation.

I think rape will probably become more common too. It might not be happening in any immediate sense, but just wait till society just collapses a little bit more. Prostitution and rape will probably run rampant at some point due to this over-saturation to porn. Its really just a giant social experiement, and we really don't know where its leading to because this is the first time in history so much unlimited access to porn has been available to everyone, but I think its a very possible outcome. I wouldn't be surprized either that juvenile to juvenile sexual abuse may become more common as well, since a bunch of 8 year olds are looking at porn now and are likely to copy and emulate what they're exposed to.

http://news.oneindia.in/2013/04/22/is-t ... 99489.html

This is probably a more valid correlation than simply concluding the internet reduces rape because rape rates were lower in states that addopted the internet first.

Most porn *is* misogynistic though.


Sure, the one you watch is probably ok. And I think a crusade against ALL of porn is misguided. A more effective take would be to improve porn, and end the oppressive one while promoting healthy porn.



I think it is foolish wishful thinking to think that these things don't have an effect.

Although I am not a female, I do understand why feminists are upset at pornography. While there are multiple types of pornography out there, with multiple fetishes and various distinctions, I understand their disgust at it. I assume by your language you are referring to videos of pornography, and not images of it, so I will go with that then.

You talked about gay porn. Gay pornography, in my opinion, since I've never watched it considering my heterosexual preference, is more of a mutual interaction between two gay or two lesbian porn stars. Two men together, two women together, or whatever variations they make to it, it is a matter of seeming equality. You don't have an extreme dominance of one over the other, consider the two are of the same sex, so it isn't overly dominating/submissive.

m***et porn? Stop it, you're killing me! I have NEVER heard of m***et porn, but hearing the notion of it, it makes me want to laugh at the absurdity of it.

Which brings us to traditional pornography, which is a male porn star having sex with a female porn star, and the female porn star engaging in "other" activities other than the exaggerated intercourse. I won't get into details about certain actions or details of what the female porn star does for the male porn star in the shoot, just for the sake of discretion and respect to other posters on this post.

But I will tell you the main concept of traditional pornography: It is all about male dominance! It isn't about emotions, feeling, genuine, love- it is about male dominance.

Women in it are portrayed as submissive creatures, who are only there for the guy to have at it with, while the girl exaggerates things, like moaning and saying "Oh yeah" and stuff like that. It is about the guy being in complete control of the situation, and women in it just being objects to use and attempt to please sexually. The goal of the male in a porn film is to fully satisfy a woman sexually by only HIS actions, and by nothing she does. It is all about him.

Women in porn films often engage in "activities" outside of the main portion of intercourse, which shows their submissiveness to their male porn star counterparts, and shows them submitting to things that show the dominance of the male in the situation.

I fully understand why women are upset by traditional pornography. It show male dominance and control over a female, and shows the female acting like a submissive, unthinking whore, who does whatever the male wants.