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08 Aug 2013, 9:55 am

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Safe to say, most people don't associate all Christians with the bigotry and malfeasance common among the religious right. Those who do are usually recognized for displaying their ignorance.


Yes, in fact most Christians, especially outside North American and Australia, are dumbfounded by the Christian far right.
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08 Aug 2013, 10:05 am

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How many Christian I.E.D. s went off last year.

If you come up with an answer greater than 0, you have made an error.


There have been bombs in Northern Ireland again recently, I don't think it was the muslims.



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08 Aug 2013, 10:12 am

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You also fail to take into account that Islamic Law (Sharia) is the supreme law of the land in many countries in the world. Christian Law (if it even exists) is not - except the 110 hectares of the Vatican City. I could care less about what the Quran and Hadith said if it wasn't for the fact that these words are considered to be law by hundreds of millions of people, and that violations of these laws are often met with extreme and bloody reactions.

Here is a complete list of countries that have any aspect of sharia as part of national law:
1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings)
5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, "kafala" law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)

Umm... no?

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Trying to take the actions and beliefs of a select few hundred thousand people world-wide as a representative sample of a population of 1.5 billion Muslims (and yes, that's billion with a "B") is extremely prejudiced.

Well,it's a good think that I posted a link to an *actual* representative study of the beliefs of Muslims, then.



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08 Aug 2013, 10:50 am

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When was the last time a group of fanatical Christians hijacked a commercial air flight and crashed the plane into a tall building?

How many Christian I.E.D. s went off last year.

How many Christian "martyrs" slaughtered innocent folk killing themselves in the process?


If you come up with an answer greater than 0, you have made an error.

ruveyn


Don't get me wrong, I don't think the majority of Christians are terrorists or proponents of violent extremism, but I don't think the majority of Muslims are either.

If you still seriously believe that there aren't Christian terrorists out there right now, here are few tidbits for you:

A brochure published by Aryan Nations includes this statement in their creed of faith (their motto is "Violence Solves Everything"):
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"We BELIEVE there is a battle being fought this day between the children of darkness (today known as Jews) and the children of Light (God), the Aryan race, the true Israel of the Bible."


From religious tolerance.org:
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Violence by extremist Christians in the United States has been responsible for attacks on Jewish centers, attempts to poison municipal water supplies, bombing of abortion clinics, and shooting of abortion providers. Timothy McVeigh’s bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City during 1995 killed 168 people, including 19 children.

The Order (a.k.a. the Silent Brotherhood, or Holy Order of Aryan Warriors) brought together militant racists from Christian Identity, some Odinists, and people of conventional neo-Nazi backgrounds.

There are striking parallels between the white supremacists and the religiously motivated Islamic Shi’a fanatics in the Middle East. Both groups transform abstract political ideologies and objectives into a religious imperative. Violence is not only sanctioned, it is divinely decreed. Hence, the killing of persons described as 'infidels' by extremist Shi’a or as ‘children of Satan’ by the white supremacists thus becomes a sacramental act.


From Wikipedia:
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They were explicitly Christian terrorist in ideology, basing their beliefs on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[65] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time on, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible," and believe that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[66] Their cross-burnings were conducted not only to intimidate targets, but to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the lighting ritual was steeped in Christian symbolism, including the saying of prayers and singing of Christian hymns.[67] Many modern Klan organizations, such as the Knights Party, USA, continue to focus on the Christian supremacist message, asserting that there is a "war" on to destroy "western Christian civilization."

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[68][69][70] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[71] A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."[72][73]

Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, Defensive Action, The Freemen Community, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".


In 1985 Michael Bray was convicted for destroying eight women's health care clinics and other properties in the Washington DC area. He says Christianity justifies acts of terrorism.

Nine members of a Christian militia group, Hutaree, were chargedwith plotting to kill a police officer and slaughter scores more with homemade bombs. According to the indictment, the actions were done in hopes of igniting an uprising against the U.S. government.

Cody Crawford, a self-proclaimed 'Christian warrior' was accused of firebombing a mosque. Court documents show that three weeks after the mosque firebombing, in unrelated encounters with police, Crawford ranted about Muslims, and said Christians are capable of jihad and told an officer he resembled President Barack Obama.
a court document quotes Crawford as telling a McMinnville officer, "You look like Obama. You are a Muslim like him. Jihad goes both ways. Christians can jihad too."

George Tiller was murdered in church by Scott Roeder over abortion (an act praised by the Army of God).

How about Eric Rodolph, Shelley Shannon, Paul Jennings, Paul Hill, and John Brockhoeft?

And that is just in the US. You can find plenty more examples of modern day Christian terrorism in like The Lord's Resistance Army of Uganda, In Assam, the Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA) in Assam, The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) operating in Tripura (North-East India), National Socialist Council of Nagaland (also India), in Nigeria Christian rioters armed with machetes slaughtered more than 200 people including a 4-day-old infant in a reprisal attack (most of the victims were Muslims).


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08 Aug 2013, 12:19 pm

Once or twice a decade some Fundie Christian coo coo blows up an abortion clinic or kills an abortionist. Several times a week Jihadi extremists blow up I.E.D.s or blow themselves up. It is the new form if Islamic daily prayer. Instead of the chant of the muzzein, from the minaret, the explosion of the I.E.D. or suicide vest, brings the Faithful to prayer.

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08 Aug 2013, 12:26 pm

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Once or twice a decade some Fundie Christian coo coo blows up an abortion clinic or kills an abortionist. Several times a week Jihadi extremists blow up I.E.D.s or blow themselves up. It is the new form if Islamic daily prayer. Instead of the chant of the muzzein, from the minaret, the explosion of the I.E.D. or suicide vest, brings the Faithful to prayer.

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Not supposed to acknowledge those facts, though.
Those facts are not PC and contain HATE!


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08 Aug 2013, 12:36 pm

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Several times a week Jihadi extremists blow up I.E.D.s or blow themselves up.


But they're mostly killing other muslims, I thought that would make you happy?



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08 Aug 2013, 12:54 pm

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I heard once from my Mormon teacher about the story of babel. Where people wanted to build a tower to the heavens and reach God, they did and came close, then God smited them and split them into different tongues. Which makes me belive that we oscillate betweem globalization and separation, we are just ... I dont know.

But I'd like to have some peace, and maybe ignorance is bliss.

It seems like the tower is a modern reality. At least where I live. There are Chinese, Islamic, Indian, African - people from everywhere. I kind of hope that there is a blending of beliefs towards more tolerance and non-violence. Probably, though, both cultures will rub off on each other. This could be a good thing.



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08 Aug 2013, 2:22 pm

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I heard once from my Mormon teacher about the story of babel. Where people wanted to build a tower to the heavens and reach God, they did and came close, then God smited them and split them into different tongues. Which makes me belive that we oscillate betweem globalization and separation, we are just ... I dont know.

But I'd like to have some peace, and maybe ignorance is bliss.

It seems like the tower is a modern reality. At least where I live. There are Chinese, Islamic, Indian, African - people from everywhere. I kind of hope that there is a blending of beliefs towards more tolerance and non-violence. Probably, though, both cultures will rub off on each other. This could be a good thing.

I know! This if from my book the Quran.

[49.13] O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.



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08 Aug 2013, 2:42 pm

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I heard once from my Mormon teacher about the story of babel. Where people wanted to build a tower to the heavens and reach God, they did and came close, then God smited them and split them into different tongues. Which makes me belive that we oscillate betweem globalization and separation, we are just ... I dont know.

But I'd like to have some peace, and maybe ignorance is bliss.

It seems like the tower is a modern reality. At least where I live. There are Chinese, Islamic, Indian, African - people from everywhere. I kind of hope that there is a blending of beliefs towards more tolerance and non-violence. Probably, though, both cultures will rub off on each other. This could be a good thing.

I know! This if from my book the Quran.

[49.13] O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.

I'm not sure I understand the passage . . . does it mean that a godly person is one who forms a community with others?



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08 Aug 2013, 3:04 pm

Just out of curiosity, out of all the people posting in this thread who believe that the majority of Muslims are dangerous and violent people, how many of you have even had a conversation with a Muslim?

All of the BS that you spew about Muslims is precisely the same type of BS that Muslim extremist factions use to paint Christianity as dangerous fundamentalists.

I live in a pretty shady neighborhood. There is also a small but significant Muslim population here. Do you want to guess how many of them have been arrested for violent crimes? I'll give you a hint: it's between -1 and 1. There is quite a bit of violent crime around here. The majority of the people here will tell you that they are 100% Christian, and most seem to have the same prejudiced views. There has been a lot of property damage to Muslim homes, cars, and businesses, but no one seems to care. The Muslims in my building just shrug their shoulders and say things like, "well that's just America for you." I really think that all of this overly publicized and overly rationalized religious discrimination is only going to make the problems you fear much, much worse in the long run.


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08 Aug 2013, 3:06 pm

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Just out of curiosity, out of all the people posting in this thread who believe that the majority of Muslims are dangerous and violent people, how many of you have even had a conversation with a Muslim?


I don't think anyone here is claiming that.



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08 Aug 2013, 3:18 pm

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I'm not sure I understand the passage . . . does it mean that a godly person is one who forms a community with others?


It means that the more honorable is othe one who keeps his duty.

Duty in islam, of course, includes killing unbelievers and jews. So 'moderate' muslims are not really very honorable. At least, according to Mohammad.


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08 Aug 2013, 3:22 pm

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It means that the more honorable is othe one who keeps his duty.

Duty in islam, of course, includes killing unbelievers and jews. So 'moderate' muslims are not really very honorable. At least, according to Mohammad.


This is one of the most ridiculously narrow-minded, over-simplified, and offensively ignorant things I have seen in quite some time. It is like saying that 'moderate' Christians are not honorable because they don't stone women to death for being raped and not calling out loud enough to be rescued.


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08 Aug 2013, 3:27 pm

I would be interested if someone else can give an interpretation of that passage. It seems like the guy who posted it is not going to clear up the confusion.



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08 Aug 2013, 3:30 pm

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I would be interested if someone else can give an interpretation of that passage. It seems like the guy who posted it is not going to clear up the confusion.


That is one of the problems with taking a tiny passage out of a religious work thousands of years old and applying a specific interpretation to it with no knowledge of the historical, cultural, or artistic context. It happens with every single work of religious writing.


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