Do you think healthcare is a right?

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27 Dec 2018, 11:14 pm

Meistersinger wrote:

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Yes it is.

No one has a right to someone else's time and labor.

No one should be denied life ensuring medical care, especially in a country like ours where there's so much prosperity.
Medical professionals wouldn't be working without compensation for their time and labor, as the tax payer would be flipping the bill.

Bataar is taking the position of taxation is theft. It’s no use having a discussion with those people, as their minds are already closed. In short, he is of the greed is good generation.

(Sigh) I know.

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27 Dec 2018, 11:32 pm

Yes it is and should always be.

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28 Dec 2018, 12:46 am

If you have a moral "right" to force other people to pay for your stuff, then other people have the same moral "right" to force you to pay for their stuff.

What kind of morality is that?

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28 Dec 2018, 12:57 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

If you have a moral "right" to force other people to pay for your stuff, then other people have the same moral "right" to force you to pay for their stuff.

What kind of morality is that?

What moral right do you have to let someone else die from lack of medical care when you could have helped?

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28 Dec 2018, 1:22 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

If you have a moral "right" to force other people to pay for your stuff, then other people have the same moral "right" to force you to pay for their stuff.

What kind of morality is that?

What moral right do you have to let someone else die from lack of medical care when you could have helped?

An ASD person, I have limited kinship with my fellow humans. Actually, they were very rotten to me.

So, naturally, I don't feel much obligation to them.

I claim the morality of NON-OBLIGATION TO MY FELLOW HUMAN.

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28 Dec 2018, 4:08 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

If you have a moral "right" to force other people to pay for your stuff, then other people have the same moral "right" to force you to pay for their stuff.

What kind of morality is that?

What moral right do you have to let someone else die from lack of medical care when you could have helped?

Your username is so ironic given that statment. I think you should have chosen "HateEveryoneButMe" as your username.

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28 Dec 2018, 4:19 am

I think that it should be. I don't think it is in the U.S currently but I do think it should be considered that.

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28 Dec 2018, 9:45 am

While I don't think it's a right, it shouldn't need to be. Universal healthcare is just objectively the superior system.

The US would benefit greatly. Cut away big pharma and sleazy insurance companies. I've seen people concerned that the US government couldn't be trusted to run such a system, but they'd have to do a really bad job to be worse than these snakes and sharks that you've got running the show right now that shouldn't be anywhere near healthcare and are only in it to squeeze as much money as they can out of desperate, helpless people.

The US got gay marriage before universal healthcare. Wouldn't have predicted that.

Can you imagine how much the pharmaceutical companies would slash their prices and bend over backwards to secure a contract to service healthcare for the entire United States of America?

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28 Dec 2018, 10:11 am

TW1ZTY wrote:

Your username is so ironic given that statment. I think you should have chosen "HateEveryoneButMe" as your username.

You should be stating why you think humans have a natural obligation to their fellow humans.

People want A LOT of STUFF, just because I think I am NOT obligated to provide it, doesn't make me evil or have hatred.

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28 Dec 2018, 10:15 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

TW1ZTY wrote:

Your username is so ironic given that statment. I think you should have chosen "HateEveryoneButMe" as your username.

You should be stating why you think humans have a natural obligation to their fellow humans.

Umm... because that is what has helped our species to survive against overwhelming odds for thousands of years?

Our ape cousins survive by living and working together in groups and so do other species of animals like wolves and elephants.

Humans HAVE to look out for each other or else they would quickly go extinct.

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28 Dec 2018, 11:54 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

If you have a moral "right" to force other people to pay for your stuff, then other people have the same moral "right" to force you to pay for their stuff.

What kind of morality is that?

What moral right do you have to let someone else die from lack of medical care when you could have helped?

Well, most of the rest of us do.
I thought you people on the right were supposed to be so much religiously superior to those of us on the left. With religion comes empathy and compassion.

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28 Dec 2018, 12:01 pm

Nothing is a right, we are just used to having it.

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28 Dec 2018, 12:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

If you have a moral "right" to force other people to pay for your stuff, then other people have the same moral "right" to force you to pay for their stuff.

What kind of morality is that?

What moral right do you have to let someone else die from lack of medical care when you could have helped?

Well, most of the rest of us do.
I thought you people on the right were supposed to be so much religiously superior to those of us on the left. With religion comes empathy and compassion.

Yeah I know most of us would think so wouldn't we? But history proves otherwise. :lol:

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28 Dec 2018, 3:16 pm

It shouldn't be a right, but since it costs too much for most people to afford, it has to be one by default.

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28 Dec 2018, 3:43 pm

zcientist wrote:

It shouldn't be a right, but since it costs too much for most people to afford, it has to be one by default.

Make medical school cheaper and let anyone who qualifies attend. The market would be saturated with more doctors, meaning more competition, meaning lower prices, in theory.

As it stands, and has stood for many decades, the American Medical Association limits the number of people who can go to med school every year.

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