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23 Jan 2020, 7:24 am

That will be determined this summer, after the Democratic National Convention.

The Democratic nominee must win a majority of the “delegates” which the potential nominee won in “primaries” and “caucuses.”

A “primary” is like a pre-election election. Only Democrats can vote in a Democratic primary.



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23 Jan 2020, 7:27 am

Probably a lot depends on this.


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23 Jan 2020, 7:30 am

Yep. That’s true.



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23 Jan 2020, 9:32 am

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What’s most important in American elections is the electoral vote from each state. Except in very rare instances, if a candidate wins a state, the candidate wins all the electoral votes from that state. If Trump loses Florida in 2020, he mostly loses the electoral majority he won in 2016.

A candidate must win 270 electoral votes to win an election. That’s it. The candidate wins even if he/she loses the popular vote.

It should be remembered that Trump LOST the popular vote in 2016.

If the chronically unemployed and underemployed people who voted for Trump in 2016 remain unemployed and underemployed in 2020, they just might not vote for Trump in this coming election.


Many of the chronically umemployed and underemployed have found jobs do to the booming economy. I even got a $20,000 a year increase do to the booming economy employers are having to compete for employers with the low unemployment.


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23 Jan 2020, 9:36 am

We'll see what happens in the campaign. We have a long ways to go.



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24 Jan 2020, 3:37 am

magz wrote:
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Donald Trump won the presidency in 2016 by appealing to a sizable portion of the electorate that politicians of both parties had either ignored or derided. Blue-collar workers watching their jobs disappear and their towns and neighborhoods face extraordinary pressures from the global economy found a voice in Trump, even as Hillary Clinton ridiculed them as “deplorables.”

I see it similarily.
There is a huge part of the society losing their place in the world - local working class of developed countries. The right tries to appeal to them, notice their existence, promise to stop the changes and bring back the old good days (likely impossible but that's another question).
The left, by what I can notice, either simply overlooks that group and their fears or focuses on their racism, (many different things)-phobias and other moral shortcomings.
How could they win their votes?

Suggestions are that liberals see themselves as SUPERIOR, INTELLECTUAL, EDUCATED, ENGLIGHTENED, not dumb, dirty laborers.

The modern liberal is likely too "evolved" to have any time for lower class working people.

The modern liberal, like CLINTON probably thinks these people are deplorable in many ways.

In the US, a liberal tv show, commonly depicts TRUMP supports as dumb, uneducated, backwards, unenlightened with racist, sexist inclinations ...
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24 Jan 2020, 4:03 am

the real progressive and.....whoever the hell it is that still supports hillary clinton :lol: are two completely different beings.


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24 Jan 2020, 6:11 am

this liberal is not particularly edumacated except by the school of hard knocks. still, this liberal recognizes the deplorableness of many of his working class neighbors who have bumper stickers on their trucks [WHY always a GD big@$$ed honkin' truck for christ's sake? but there it is] exclaiming various execrable calumnies against the left- democrats, gays, blacks, uppity women, etc. the racism/sexism cannot be denied. the ableism can't be denied (IOW "i got mine so screw you!"). yet, i have equal venom against the purity democrats who by default gave us the orange menace [by staying home in a snit because they didn't get everything they wanted] and put my old age security in real jeopardy [just wait, next term, he WILL be gutting social security and medicare, he will take the next election as license to screw over the rest of the poor]. many of these same people who stayed home were the ones with the picket signs with the inevitable result of their staying home manifested. :wall: we have the government we deserve, and we have indeed met the enemy [US].



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24 Jan 2020, 8:14 am

Education is a luxury, not a given among both parties, I would think. There are still plenty of people in the US who are first generation college graduates.

Education helps, but it doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't have a degree is stupid. Those calling each other idiots as a means to describe why they lost an election, are falling short of the mark. I don't believe anyone is entirely an idiot unless they are ret*d. If someone has a normal IQ, they are not stupid. They might be ignorant, but that can be remedied. It can't be that they see things my way though. If it gets me my way in an election or not, I still approve of freedom to make up one's own mind. And not to be ridiculed for it.

It's interesting that I consider liberal leaning voters as having a lack of morals and integrity, where as liberal leaning voters consider me to be stupid and greedy. Either way, both need to go and I don't know how to get there. The group whose choice is not in office is always the nasty, aggressive one. They group whose pick won feels like they are being persecuted. And by my calculations this has been going on for the last 30 years, maybe longer and I'm just more acutely aware of it.

What to do, what to do? This voter does not know.


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24 Jan 2020, 8:53 am

In the UK age is the primary factor when voting for a party . What is the primary factor in the USA ?


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24 Jan 2020, 4:51 pm

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In the UK age is the primary factor when voting for a party . What is the primary factor in the USA ?



I don't know. Could be inheritance, rearing, etc... I know that a lot of my friend's children go 50/50, back and forth. We were more indoctrinated by our elders, than we do to our children. I never wanted my kids to feel like they had to vote a certain way to maintain my affections. We have/had 6 kids, between us. One died this past year... Of my biological kids, one is conservative and one is liberal. Of my step kids, only two vote. One is conservative and one is more libertarian...


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24 Jan 2020, 8:54 pm

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In the UK age is the primary factor when voting for a party . What is the primary factor in the USA ?


Age, sex, race, economic status, sexual orientation, nationality, religion, types of candidates running (progressive, centrist, conservative, et al), urban vs. rural.

The U.S. is divided into red states (those that typically vote Republican), blue states (those that typically vote Democratic) and "purple" or "swing" states (those that can go either way depending on the candidate)


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24 Jan 2020, 10:03 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
In the UK age is the primary factor when voting for a party . What is the primary factor in the USA ?


Age, sex, race, economic status, sexual orientation, nationality, religion, types of candidates running (progressive, centrist, conservative, et al), urban vs. rural.

The U.S. is divided into red states (those that typically vote Republican), blue states (those that typically vote Democratic) and "purple" or "swing" states (those that can go either way depending on the candidate)


I would take it even a step further to say that the U.S. is divided into "red" counties of states and "blue" counties of states. A "blue" state, for example can be a strong majority of democratic voters in highly populated areas and the rest of the state can be solidly "red"/republican.

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The above map of the U.S. gives a more detailed view of the 2016 presidential election.



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25 Jan 2020, 1:00 am

that is a depressing map, and red useta be my fave color, back in 1980 the roles were reversed- the GOP was blue [bluebloods] and the democrats were red- in fact, in a newscast, david brinkley famously, tartly observed that in the wake of the Ronnie Raygun landslide, the map of america "looks as blue as a suburban swimming pool."



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25 Jan 2020, 1:45 am

auntblabby wrote:
that is a depressing map


most of those red counties have like 100x more corn than people.


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25 Jan 2020, 1:48 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
that is a depressing map


most of those red counties have like 100x more corn than people.

that is reassuring until i remember that most of those people would be happy to send me into the cornfield.