Roger Stone says trump should “declare martial law” to

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20 Sep 2020, 1:12 pm

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When the right speaks up or does stuff (eg. Trump right now) they are socially condemned but when the left does it they get a free pass.

Has someone on the left proposed a martial law as a solution to losing an election?
If yes, I absolutely condemn that person.

Yes, has someone on the left proposed that? Wait until that happens before you attempt this rank whataboutism. They are not socially condemned just for "doing stuff"--they are condemned because the things they choose to do are morally and politically egregious.
This also conspicuously fails to address what I said about martial law being just about the best way I can think of to maximize riots. If you provide no counter and attempt only to give me the standard, most basic deflections then I am going to assume you have no counter.


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20 Sep 2020, 6:11 pm

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I don't consider an inveterate liar to fit the definition of a good person. In Christianity, isn't Satan called "the father of lies?" How can a Christian defend an inveterate liar in good faith?


Which is the exact issue I’m having been trying to explain to certain members of where I attend church. I ended up melting down on quite a few of them in FakeBook.

As I have said in the past, I worked in Department of Defense as a contractor employee in the 1990’s: first at Naval Research and Development Research, Development, Testing, and Engineering Division Detachment Warminster, PA, then after the Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division Warminster, PA (which NRaD was co-located) was shut down due to the Base Realignment and Closure Commission, working as an analyst for the Information Management Support Office, Deputy Chief of Staff—Operations and Plans, US Army—Pentagon. If I would have spilled top secret information to our enemies, like our illustrious president did to both N Korea and Mainland China, as well as Russia, I would have been captured, arrested, prosecuted and found guilty, and more than likely, executed as a traitor. But, as usual, I’m told I’m an idiot, as well as disloyal. Excuse me, but I was aware of what Trump was like 45 years ago, when I was an undergraduate music history major, since some of my former roommates were business majors, specifically finance and accounting. I’d pick up the Wall Street Journal (before Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp RUINED that institution, just like he RUINED the Times of London), as well as read the New York Times, and the Pittsburgh Press and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette business sections.

Personally, I no longer have faith in ANY of our elected leaders. At least Nixon had the good sense to resign when the sh!t hit the fan regarding his part in Watergate. The wusses in Congress, as far as I’m concerned when they failed to convict Clinton for lying, as well as Trump for treason.

And you wonder why I don’t vote?



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21 Sep 2020, 1:47 am

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Personally, I no longer have faith in ANY of our elected leaders. At least Nixon had the good sense to resign when the sh!t hit the fan regarding his part in Watergate. The wusses in Congress, as far as I’m concerned when they failed to convict Clinton for lying, as well as Trump for treason.

And you wonder why I don’t vote?


I get it, but this time is different. I implore you to vote. Seriously. It’s lioe AOC said.. this time is different. This time it’s a vote to preserve democracy or let America slide into authoritarianism.


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21 Sep 2020, 3:19 am

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Personally, I no longer have faith in ANY of our elected leaders. At least Nixon had the good sense to resign when the sh!t hit the fan regarding his part in Watergate. The wusses in Congress, as far as I’m concerned when they failed to convict Clinton for lying, as well as Trump for treason.

And you wonder why I don’t vote?


I get it, but this time is different. I implore you to vote. Seriously. It’s lioe AOC said.. this time is different. This time it’s a vote to preserve democracy or let America slide into authoritarianism.


Oh, I’ll be voting all right, but, as usual, I’ll be told off for wasting my vote, thereby keeping the despots in office.



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21 Sep 2020, 4:57 pm

Why would you not vote for the one candidate that has a shot at defeating trump? :?


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21 Sep 2020, 4:59 pm

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Why would you not vote for the one candidate that has a shot at defeating trump? :?


Maybe because he's equally as horrible as his opponent?


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21 Sep 2020, 5:03 pm

Horrible enough to cage up little kids & send Nazi propaganda on Facebook?

Right.

Get back to us when you've finished some homework.


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21 Sep 2020, 5:04 pm

If Trump's records don't amount to crimes against humanity eventually, I'll eat my shoes.


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21 Sep 2020, 5:13 pm

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Horrible enough to cage up little kids & send Nazi propaganda on Facebook?

Right.

Get back to us when you've finished some homework.


I've done my homework. Have you? Did you know those cages existed during the Obama administration? Did you know that Obama deported more illegals than any other president?

Homework is good! Now do yours!


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21 Sep 2020, 5:19 pm

Did I say I was a fan of Obama?

It's this living in the past nonsense that's distracted you from the obvious fact that a problem is a problem.

We are in a pandemic because Trump administration buffoons defunded all the medical infrastructure which was in place to curb the virus at its' source.

We are watching small riots being prioritized federally over tens of thousands of homes burning for one man's political gain.

I don't believe you care about your country as much as you care about how edgy it looks.


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21 Sep 2020, 5:31 pm

That's just it, pointing out Obama's crimes is not "living in the past." We are still living under the same corrupt system that made it possible for Trump to be elected.

As far as the Covid response is concerned, you do understand who's driving policy, yes? They're the same folks who have bought and paid for all our politicians. Do you honestly believe a corporate Dem or Pub would do differently?


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22 Sep 2020, 1:16 pm

A Biden administration may not be perfect, but it most certainly wouldn’t be equally as bad as trump & co.

Do you have any concept of the USA’s free falling standing in the international community? Biden and corporate Dems may not be perfect, but they would definitely be more respected around the world - and in turn so would the USA.

Do you honestly believe Joe Biden would have stood up in front of the American people and lied to them about the coronavirus pandemic the way trump has? Gone against scientific advisors? Not deployed some sort of federal leadership? Manipulated testing numbers for political image? Etc etc - Biden and dems may not have mounted a perfect covid response, but they definitely wouldn’t have f****d it up this badly.


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22 Sep 2020, 1:51 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
A Biden administration may not be perfect, but it most certainly wouldn’t be equally as bad as trump & co.

Do you have any concept of the USA’s free falling standing in the international community? Biden and corporate Dems may not be perfect, but they would definitely be more respected around the world - and in turn so would the USA.

Do you honestly believe Joe Biden would have stood up in front of the American people and lied to them about the coronavirus pandemic the way trump has? Gone against scientific advisors? Not deployed some sort of federal leadership? Manipulated testing numbers for political image? Etc etc - Biden and dems may not have mounted a perfect covid response, but they definitely wouldn’t have f****d it up this badly.


Add the vacant SCROTUS seat to the mix, and if Amy Barrett is confirmed, our country will be a major s**tshow even if Biden wins.


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22 Sep 2020, 6:24 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
A Biden administration may not be perfect, but it most certainly wouldn’t be equally as bad as trump & co.

Do you have any concept of the USA’s free falling standing in the international community? Biden and corporate Dems may not be perfect, but they would definitely be more respected around the world - and in turn so would the USA.

Do you honestly believe Joe Biden would have stood up in front of the American people and lied to them about the coronavirus pandemic the way trump has? Gone against scientific advisors? Not deployed some sort of federal leadership? Manipulated testing numbers for political image? Etc etc - Biden and dems may not have mounted a perfect covid response, but they definitely wouldn’t have f****d it up this badly.


You're making assumptions about the Democrats that are not based on taking the history of this nation into account. Did you know that the Dems have willfully passed Trump's entire legislative agenda? Of course not! You don't have a clue, because you don't pay any attention to what's a actually hapoening in the halls of congress.

Did you know that Obama expanded the powers of the legislative branch more than any other president? Of course not!

I'd like to see your evidence for your opinion that the Dems would have done better. Given that they serve the same corporate masters as Trump. Perhaps you'd like to discuss how Bill Clinton destroyed the Democratic Party by shifting way to the right, and courted corporate money as vigorously as the Republicans.

Please explain to me your enthusiam for the Democrats given their history. I'd love to hear it.


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22 Sep 2020, 11:10 pm

Ok, here it is: Your country has a 2 party political system. The republican party has been commandeered by trump & trumpism, which is just f*****g gross. Therefore, the other party is better in the present here and now regardless of their history.


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22 Sep 2020, 11:21 pm

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Ok, here it is: Your country has a 2 party political system. The republican party has been commandeered by trump & trumpism, which is just f*****g gross. Therefore, the other party is better in the present here and now regardless of their history.


Sure as hell better than Trumps dream of a fascist, authoritarian police state.


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