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20 Oct 2020, 7:25 pm

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No, it's a reminder that we are not characters on the Pepe show.


Sounds like another personal attack to my skunk ears. :scratch:


That's because you're unaccustomed to acting like it's not all about you, or you wouldn't be ranking mods by whomever tolerates more of your election runup trolling. It's not really a moderate, independent standpoint to be so approving of a fascist con job by the way.


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20 Oct 2020, 7:28 pm

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Members have the option to not come to this part of the forum and they can stay outside the PPR and and News & Current events.

But forums like this incite the worst behavior in people. "Offensive" can mean different things to different people. We are not supposed to offend people or post things that provoke, but everything about threads such as this one provokes people. Either we need to tolerate all opinions and allow provocation (aside from personal attacks and threats), or we need to take controversial issues off this site. "magz" said that my post offends some of our users, but couldn't THEY simply not visit this part of the site? Others have posted things in this thread that have offended and provoked me immensely. I want to ignore it, but when I go to "view posts since last visit" I see threads like this one and get drawn in. I don't even have to click on the names of these forums. If there were an option to block all politics-related discussions from our view, I would do it. But it's hard to ignore what's right in your face.


Magz is a wonderful person but I tend to agree with you, in regard to freedom speech.
If you have a problem with a mod decision, you are entitled to discuss it with another mod.
Simples. ;)

Regarding you not being able to resist replying to some provocative posts, I think you need to work on your discipline. EEP! 8O
But if you do engage, make sure you understand and follower the rulz. <hug>



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20 Oct 2020, 7:29 pm

cberg wrote:
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No, it's a reminder that we are not characters on the Pepe show.


Sounds like another personal attack to my skunk ears. :scratch:


That's because you're unaccustomed to acting like it's not all about you, or you wouldn't be ranking mods by whomever tolerates more of your election runup trolling. It's not really a moderate, independent standpoint to be so approving of a fascist con job by the way.


A hat-trick of personal attacks? :scratch:



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20 Oct 2020, 7:34 pm

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I mostly agree with you on this. I've returned from a long absence and this site seems to have boiled down a lot to those who are the most into controversial contentious debates, and many familiar faces no longer around. It permeates throughout most of the site, as those who are into it the most tend take it all over the forum. I don't know if at this point it can or should be curtailed, or if WP just simply has to be accepted as, it is what it is.


Things are more egalitarian than they were. 8)



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21 Oct 2020, 2:09 am

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Members have the option to not come to this part of the forum and they can stay outside the PPR and and News & Current events.

But forums like this incite the worst behavior in people. "Offensive" can mean different things to different people. We are not supposed to offend people or post things that provoke, but everything about threads such as this one provokes people. Either we need to tolerate all opinions and allow provocation (aside from personal attacks and threats), or we need to take controversial issues off this site. "magz" said that my post offends some of our users, but couldn't THEY simply not visit this part of the site? Others have posted things in this thread that have offended and provoked me immensely. I want to ignore it, but when I go to "view posts since last visit" I see threads like this one and get drawn in. I don't even have to click on the names of these forums. If there were an option to block all politics-related discussions from our view, I would do it. But it's hard to ignore what's right in your face.

I absolutely see that in non-partisan discussion, you present quite balanced point of view and friendly attitude.
I started to believe that your "female Hitler" and "bodies piling up" posts were intended as self-deprecating jokes. Am I right? It's hard to assess one's intentions by a couple of online posts.
If so, I would recommend a tactic used by Pepe: when joking, use emoji like crazy, so the fact that you're joking is hard to miss.


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21 Oct 2020, 3:59 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:
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Members have the option to not come to this part of the forum and they can stay outside the PPR and and News & Current events.

But forums like this incite the worst behavior in people. "Offensive" can mean different things to different people. We are not supposed to offend people or post things that provoke, but everything about threads such as this one provokes people. Either we need to tolerate all opinions and allow provocation (aside from personal attacks and threats), or we need to take controversial issues off this site. "magz" said that my post offends some of our users, but couldn't THEY simply not visit this part of the site? Others have posted things in this thread that have offended and provoked me immensely. I want to ignore it, but when I go to "view posts since last visit" I see threads like this one and get drawn in. I don't even have to click on the names of these forums. If there were an option to block all politics-related discussions from our view, I would do it. But it's hard to ignore what's right in your face.


Being offended by people expressing that they support wearing masks in public, or that perhaps it should be mandated isn't grounds to start insisting that weak people should just FOAD. The former is a political discussion, the latter is a personal attack on many of the forum's users.

That's the difference.


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21 Oct 2020, 4:50 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:
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Members have the option to not come to this part of the forum and they can stay outside the PPR and and News & Current events.

But forums like this incite the worst behavior in people. "Offensive" can mean different things to different people. We are not supposed to offend people or post things that provoke, but everything about threads such as this one provokes people. Either we need to tolerate all opinions and allow provocation (aside from personal attacks and threats), or we need to take controversial issues off this site. "magz" said that my post offends some of our users, but couldn't THEY simply not visit this part of the site? Others have posted things in this thread that have offended and provoked me immensely. I want to ignore it, but when I go to "view posts since last visit" I see threads like this one and get drawn in. I don't even have to click on the names of these forums. If there were an option to block all politics-related discussions from our view, I would do it. But it's hard to ignore what's right in your face.


Even if we limited discussion to Autism “support’ that would not change much. There is still fundamental disagreement as to what Autism is. People feel emotional about this. The advice given by a person who thinks autism is a gift is often going to offend peple who think autism is a curse and visa versa. Programs and accommodations are often a matter of government policies which is decided by politics.


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21 Oct 2020, 7:46 am

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I mostly agree with you on this. I've returned from a long absence and this site seems to have boiled down a lot to those who are the most into controversial contentious debates, and many familiar faces no longer around. It permeates throughout most of the site, as those who are into it the most tend take it all over the forum. I don't know if at this point it can or should be curtailed, or if WP just simply has to be accepted as, it is what it is.



Things are more egalitarian than they were. 8)


I'm not sure how to interpret that considering the mistreatment I just saw directed at you.

That sort of thing, which still going fresh, is what whittled WP down to a skeleton membership.



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21 Oct 2020, 8:01 am

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Members have the option to not come to this part of the forum and they can stay outside the PPR and and News & Current events.

But forums like this incite the worst behavior in people. "Offensive" can mean different things to different people. We are not supposed to offend people or post things that provoke, but everything about threads such as this one provokes people. Either we need to tolerate all opinions and allow provocation (aside from personal attacks and threats), or we need to take controversial issues off this site. "magz" said that my post offends some of our users, but couldn't THEY simply not visit this part of the site? Others have posted things in this thread that have offended and provoked me immensely. I want to ignore it, but when I go to "view posts since last visit" I see threads like this one and get drawn in. I don't even have to click on the names of these forums. If there were an option to block all politics-related discussions from our view, I would do it. But it's hard to ignore what's right in your face.

I absolutely see that in non-partisan discussion, you present quite balanced point of view and friendly attitude.
I started to believe that your "female Hitler" and "bodies piling up" posts were intended as self-deprecating jokes. Am I right? It's hard to assess one's intentions by a couple of online posts.
If so, I would recommend a tactic used by Pepe: when joking, use emoji like crazy, so the fact that you're joking is hard to miss.

In a way I am joking. However, I do think if I were in charge some of the policies I would enact might be considered "cruel" by some people. To the contrary, I would also crack down on things like cruelty to animals, that others consider compassionate. When I wrote this I was really angry. I have very strong right-wing beliefs. I do not agree with all the restrictions related to this virus. Nothing people can say will change my mind on this. The reasons for them are due to sentimentality, not science, as they claim. Admittedly so are things like animal rights. But compassion, as I've said, has its limits.
I was really hoping folks would just let this thread die.... Sad to see that's not the case.


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21 Oct 2020, 8:04 am

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League_Girl wrote:
Members have the option to not come to this part of the forum and they can stay outside the PPR and and News & Current events.

But forums like this incite the worst behavior in people. "Offensive" can mean different things to different people. We are not supposed to offend people or post things that provoke, but everything about threads such as this one provokes people. Either we need to tolerate all opinions and allow provocation (aside from personal attacks and threats), or we need to take controversial issues off this site. "magz" said that my post offends some of our users, but couldn't THEY simply not visit this part of the site? Others have posted things in this thread that have offended and provoked me immensely. I want to ignore it, but when I go to "view posts since last visit" I see threads like this one and get drawn in. I don't even have to click on the names of these forums. If there were an option to block all politics-related discussions from our view, I would do it. But it's hard to ignore what's right in your face.


Being offended by people expressing that they support wearing masks in public, or that perhaps it should be mandated isn't grounds to start insisting that weak people should just FOAD. The former is a political discussion, the latter is a personal attack on many of the forum's users.

That's the difference.

That's still pretty arbitrary, if you ask me. Particularly since said individuals, if they don't want to "FOAD", can use N95 masks, hazmat suits, or other things to protect themselves.


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21 Oct 2020, 8:05 am

I'm not so much scared of Trump as I am baffled by him. For 47 days (47 days!! !) he's been saying "we're rounding the turn" on covid...yet North Dakota (a very red state) just hit a positivity rate near 20%! That's one in five covid tests coming back positive. That doesn't sound like "rounding the turn" to me. Sounds like a serious outbreak...



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21 Oct 2020, 8:11 am

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I'm not concerned with what others think of my opinions.

If you're not concerned with your opinions hurting others, then you may lose your privilege of posting them on WrongPlanet.
I'm serious.

But what about other's opinions hurting me???? If you closely read my entire response, I mentioned that the leftists' beliefs are offensive to me. Why are they allowed to offend me, but I cannot do the same? It seems a little unjust.


Your opinions concern just how much it's acceptable to hurt vulnerable people.

There's no happy medium where senseless violence & plagues are concerned. You might want to examine what Sweden is doing about this.

I said nothing about violence. I don't support violence unless it's self defense. All opinions should be tolerated. And no one has addressed my analogy to "what if a population of animals were overpopulated and 2% were dying of a virus? Would we try to save them all?" I have more compassion for animals than humans, for the most part. I just don't get the double standard or why "humans are more important". Overpopulation of the Earth by humans is a major problem and is only getting worse.
Sweden is a socialist country whose policies make it a place I would never want to live in. What they do is their business, but I would never live somewhere where rights are taken away like that.


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21 Oct 2020, 8:12 am

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I'm not so much scared of Trump as I am baffled by him. For 47 days (47 days!! !) he's been saying "we're rounding the turn" on covid...yet North Dakota (a very red state) just hit a positivity rate near 20%! That's one in five covid tests coming back positive. That doesn't sound like "rounding the turn" to me. Sounds like a serious outbreak...

Like me, he probably could care less about "COVID" (aka the "scamdemic"). Whatever happens happens. I seriously could care less anymore.


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21 Oct 2020, 8:17 am

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I'm not so much scared of Trump as I am baffled by him. For 47 days (47 days!! !) he's been saying "we're rounding the turn" on covid...yet North Dakota (a very red state) just hit a positivity rate near 20%! That's one in five covid tests coming back positive. That doesn't sound like "rounding the turn" to me. Sounds like a serious outbreak...

Like me, he probably could care less about "COVID" (aka the "scamdemic"). Whatever happens happens. I seriously could care less anymore.
Must be nice to have such a lack of respect for human life. In my case, if my wife gets it she's dead. No doubt. So nice to see people are still spreading it around. If we had gotten it under control (like Canada) we could open up our economy (like Canada) and be living almost normal lives (like Canada).



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21 Oct 2020, 8:26 am

The US has ten times the population of Canada. Probably ten times the number of visitors as well.



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Truly, I feel that the only way to prevent users of this site from offending one another is to remove threads related to politics and controversial issues from the site entirely. If this is meant as a support site, it should be strictly that. I have very strong opinions and obviously other users do also. Arguing over politics serves no beneficial purpose to anyone on this site. It brings out the meanest, ugliest sides of our personality. We say things that are interpreted the wrong way, are exaggerated versions of our true beliefs, and that are hurtful to others, not helpful, although this is normally not the original intent. There are other places online for debating controversial issues. It's very hard to go on this site these days and not have controversial issues in your face. And, at least for me, it's hard to resist the temptation to debate them, although deep down I know this is both harmful and pointless. If I were in charge of this site, there would be no forums for debating politics or religion. I would remove any posts that relate to controversial issues, and "debates" would not be allowed. They almost always get ugly. This is not to "censor" anyone's free speech, I just feel that this site is not the proper place for this type of thing. I really don't blame the users who are leaving because of the hostility. Remove the root cause of the offensive comments and they won't happen at all.


It's Not a Matter of Opinion; It's a Matter of Fact
in Science That Masks Save Lives During a Pandemic.

Freedom Does not include the Right to Harm other Folks;

This is why Vaccinations are Required at Schools.

And this is why Masks Are Required where
State and Local Governments Rule the Rules.

And to Be Clear, i surely don't agree with
All the Rules; But as You already make
it Clear, You Don't Care About
Other Folks that much;
i surely don't expect
you to Understand as
Where i Live, So-Called 'Christians'
NoW A Portion of them Who Say they
Respect the Sanctity of Life, Do not
When Entire Rows of a Church Do Not
Wear a Mask Among Elder Folks Wearing
A Mask to Protect them; You've
Already Said You Are not
Worried about those
Elder Lives; There
Surely is Nothing me
or anyone Else Will
Do to 'Make' You
Change Your
Heart on that.

In My Opinion
i do not Agree with
You and in My Opinion
The Law Should Regulate
This in All Cases Where Necessary;

In My County it does not; in the Next
County it does; That's Life; In A Democracy,
The People's Representatives Rule; whether right
or wrong; They Stay or Go Depending on What Folks Vote Next.

Polls now give Donald Trump a 1 in 10 Chance of Success;

The Pandemic is Likely
Not going to 'Enjoy'
The Political Fall-out
of Empathy That Cares about
other Human Beings And Wants
to Save All Life in Sanctity For Real...

Including Keeping The Economy Strong and Open

Where Human Life Counts Most Overall For Real.

You Don't Offend me; No one does in a Personal way
At Church; i am Smart Enough to Keep my Self out of Trouble.

It doesn't help me to Be Personally Offended; but it's true, i do tend

to make change happen too..

We are Apparently
on Different Ends
of A Spectrum
And that's
Okay
With me too...

On the Other Hand,
This is a Place for Support
of the Living; Not a Place For Cruelty of Death in Opinions As
That Affects the Emotions of People Much More Vulnerable than i am here.

Sadly this is not the Rule at The Church, i still Visit as an 'Observer'...

The People Over in the Next Community Are Cooperating to Save each other's LIVES

AND IN doing so With Masks Keeping the Economy Open and Strong too

Just like in Asia

Science Saves Lives;

Ignorance Kills;

Enlightening
True for Those
Who Do See it and Act Accordingly.

Those Folks Are Surely Refreshing in my Life to Be around..

Meh; only 13 Miles Out of that Kind of Ignorance of Science Where i Live.

As Far As Science Goes and Keeping Folks Safe, Healthy, And the Economy Thriving;

this indeed is a Face Palm

Issue,

Forest
Thick
as Thick
As i've Ever Seen
Even Where i Live.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

Ah, the Poet Laureate returns :roll: :lol:
If people want to take the risk going to church, or anywhere else, and not wear a mask, it's their business. This country has separation of church and state, so the government can't force them.
When Trump wins, I'll be laughing at your left-biased polls. God help this country if the dementia-riddled communist wins. He can't even speak coherently.
Freedom does include the right to do what I want with my body. It's not harming anyone, because the high-risk people shouldn't even be around me or others. I don't want them, or most other people, around me at all.
Science also tells us the world is overpopulated. I'm fine with anything that controls this, or we're all screwed eventually.
So do what you want, but don't try to force your beliefs on me.


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