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24 Feb 2021, 9:35 pm

I hope you don't share those Trumpian opinions....they frankly don't make sense to me.



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24 Feb 2021, 9:37 pm

Oh you mean me?



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24 Feb 2021, 9:38 pm

I mean anybody who has Trumpian/QAnon-type opinions.

I don't get the origin of these opinions. Why can't all ethnic groups be regarded with the same amount of respect?



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24 Feb 2021, 9:46 pm

Oh yes that is what I mean. But we have poeple being fired over their beliefs it seems, even though I don't think that should be grounds for firing or hiring.



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24 Feb 2021, 9:56 pm

I don’t think so, either.

Provided they don’t blatantly advocate the overthrow of the government.

But how can anybody support a person who throws his supporters under the bus?

And who fires people via Tweet?

And who just showed NO leadership during the COVID crisis?



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24 Feb 2021, 10:20 pm

Oh you mean Carano supporting Trump? Well I guess it's her right to, but I don't think she should be fired over it. I would never fire an employee over that, especially one that is bringing in many and has fans of the show.



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25 Feb 2021, 12:33 am

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Oh you mean Carano supporting Trump? Well I guess it's her right to, but I don't think she should be fired over it. I would never fire an employee over that, especially one that is bringing in many and has fans of the show.


We seem to be going in circles. She was fired for shooting her mouth off....not because she supported Trump



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25 Feb 2021, 2:16 am

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People rarely, almost never, get fired from their jobs because of their political opinions.

Unless they are of the Nazi-type variety, or something equally radically left-wing.



Maybe because they either don't have social media or because they are smart enough to not post anything political or controversial online where anyone can see it. it's always been this way. People just kept their mouths shut so they wouldn't make enemies or be judged. Now with social media, people are shocked.


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25 Feb 2021, 4:26 am

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Thankfully, I am in early retirement and don't have a job to lose. 8)


It's really not rocket science not to say anything rude to co-workers who are disabled, trans, gay, black or female.
Not sure why right wingers have so much trouble with using a filter?


You are being very selective in your examples.

Simply having an intellectual discussion in a leftist environment will get you into trouble, often.
Simply exploring ideas in a leftist environment will get you into trouble, often.
Simply having a different perspective in a leftist environment will get you into trouble, often.
Simply posting a JP video and wanting to discuss it may get you crucified, metaphorically speaking, in a leftist dominated environment. 8O

Do you see a pattern emerging? :mrgreen:

From *my* personal perspective, I find progressives rather intolerant, which is quite ironic when you consider they *say* they like diversity. 8)



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25 Feb 2021, 4:33 am

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Yeah. But does it really effect more people are people choosing to let it effect them when it really doesn't so much, if that makes sense?

I feel their needs to be more iron clad as to what is acceptable and what is not. Actors should even have it in their contracts what they can say and not say, in order to know what the rules are, if this is the case. But I think Hollywood cannot let people have to much power.

Even in movies nowadays, movies are much more sensitive than what they use to be, back in the 90s for example. In the 90s, Hollywood wouldn't aim to offend but they would draw a line and say okay if are going to be offended by everything, than you're just being wussies. But now they will not draw that line anymore, if that makes sense?


I am not saying it is a 'binary', but the 'rule of thumb' is if you post comments favouring the position of the 'progressive' side of politics, you will be fine.
If you have conservative sympathies and post them, you only have yourself to blame if you lose your job, in these politically correct days.

That is simply the reality of the situation. :shrug:

Thankfully, I am in early retirement and don't have a job to lose. 8)


Well it just seems that I thought that one of the rules, in America is that a boss doesn't have to agree with their employees political views. To me it's like firing someone based on choice of religion or something along those lines. And it's ironic how they call it politically correct, because I find it highly politically incorrect to be fired based on what you believe, within politics, religion, philoshophy, etc.

So when did America become so backwards on those kinds of regulations I wonder. Are there any laws to protect agains this, or are you allowed to hire and fire people based on politics, religion, race, etc, and that's the American way now?


Most progressives like the concept of 'diversity of ideas', but only the diverse ideas they like. :P
It does seem that way to me. :wink:



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25 Feb 2021, 4:42 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
People rarely, almost never, get fired from their jobs because of their political opinions.

Unless they are of the Nazi-type variety, or something equally radically left-wing.


And then you have some SJWs trolling over every word and creating their own particular misinterpretation.



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25 Feb 2021, 4:44 am

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Kind of sounds like "political view" is being used to cover up sh***y opinions shared publicly like conspiracy theories and other things. Could people say that anything is just their politics?


You had a premier who ruled Queensland for 30 years by the name of Joe Bjelke Peterson who claimed his ideas of sterilising aboriginal people or allowing them to die of HIV was part of his political beliefs. Plenty of Queenslanders shared his beliefs because they voted him back into office multiple times.


I never particularly liked Joe, but I never heard anything about this.
Do you have a link?
If not, what keywords should I use?



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25 Feb 2021, 4:58 am

Pepe wrote:
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Kind of sounds like "political view" is being used to cover up sh***y opinions shared publicly like conspiracy theories and other things. Could people say that anything is just their politics?


You had a premier who ruled Queensland for 30 years by the name of Joe Bjelke Peterson who claimed his ideas of sterilising aboriginal people or allowing them to die of HIV was part of his political beliefs. Plenty of Queenslanders shared his beliefs because they voted him back into office multiple times.


I never particularly liked Joe, but I never heard anything about this.
Do you have a link?
If not, what keywords should I use?


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sir-joh-bje ... ustralians
https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/hancoc ... lang-17492



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25 Feb 2021, 5:20 am

Pepe wrote:
Simply having an intellectual discussion in a leftist environment will get you into trouble, often.
Simply exploring ideas in a leftist environment will get you into trouble, often.
Simply having a different perspective in a leftist environment will get you into trouble, often.
Simply posting a JP video and wanting to discuss it may get you crucified, metaphorically speaking, in a leftist dominated environment. 8O

Do you see a pattern emerging? :mrgreen:

From *my* personal perspective, I find progressives rather intolerant, which is quite ironic when you consider they *say* they like diversity. 8)


Generally the thing not tolerated is intolerance, thus why arguing points by Jordan Peterson is not going to go well, since he is pretty intolerant with his beliefs like race realism. Of course progressives won't take it well when someone posts pretty much propaganda from with just the worst beliefs. Like, the guy pushes incredibly unfair ideas of personal responsibility, and then seemingly learns nothing from his own experience of drug addiction and other ideas of subsidised medical assistance that not everyone could afford.

From personal experience, it really is not that difficult not to get in that much trouble in left circles. You have to really try hard to keep doing things without listening to what others tell you, or say things that are pretty offensive. By similar strokes, there are things you can say in pretty much any part of society that will get you in trouble, that you could say that you are just exploring ideas. Here in Australia if you talk about calling "Australia day" Invasion Day, you are probably likely to get in trouble with a lot of people that would call themselves centrists or something. If I called out troops who fought overseas and said that I just want to consider the idea that they are all culpable of things like baby murder for the benefit of large corporations, I would probably get in trouble.

The problem is not that the left is more sensitive, it is that those who get in trouble with them have no idea how to talk about subjects without coming across as offensive. It is always something like people calling themselves free thinkers and accusing other people of thought policing, and never a good faith attempt to actually understand things and be able to talk without saying something that offends someone.

You really think you are hard done by, when I can't even mention the core part of who I am in a YouTube comment without having to defend my identity to some punk that I just want attention. These things that people are supposedly getting in trouble for just wanting to talk about are things that probably would have got us beaten up for about 15 years ago, and a lot of people still would want to if they could get away with it. The sort of things that are really going to peeve people off is needing to even defend the most basic concepts that should have already been well moved past, like a definition of a word, and cherry picked examples chosen to poison the well.


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25 Feb 2021, 9:08 am

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Oh you mean Carano supporting Trump? Well I guess it's her right to, but I don't think she should be fired over it. I would never fire an employee over that, especially one that is bringing in many and has fans of the show.


We seem to be going in circles. She was fired for shooting her mouth off....not because she supported Trump


Oh okay I see. Well it seems that a lot of fans of the show are disappointed in her being firing so perhaps it was a bad idea to to do it so soon. I mean I shoot my mouth off online sometimes, but I never get fired for it, because the boss still wants good work...



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25 Feb 2021, 12:05 pm

People whining about not being able to sprout racist and harmful conspiracy theory things is like when my ex used to whine about "not being able to be himself" because I didn't like it when he always joked around with me and I always felt disrespected because I felt he was not taking me seriously or my feelings and plus I would take him seriously and he would get upset.

Some people really want to be jerks and then whine they can't be their true selves lmao. :lol:

I wonder if anyone has ever whined about not being able to use profanity. "How dare you oppress me and not let me be myself."


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