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18 Aug 2021, 11:05 am

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The road that led to Trump was paved by neoliberal policies, for which Biden was a major supporter. We'll only get someone worse than Trump down the road, if this country manages to survive another couple of decades.
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment: How long have these tenants had to prepare for this day?  They knew it was coming; no one tried to hide it from them; so what have they done to assure themselves of having places to live?

Sure, Sleepy Joe could step in, socialize housing, and issue an edict that no one shall be homeless; but then what?

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You'd have to ask them. I have no idea.

Biden won't do anything that even slightly smells of socialism.


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18 Aug 2021, 11:08 am

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The road that led to Trump was paved by neoliberal policies, for which Biden was a major supporter. We'll only get someone worse than Trump down the road, if this country manages to survive another couple of decades.
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment: How long have these tenants had to prepare for this day?  They knew it was coming; no one tried to hide it from them; so what have they done to assure themselves of having places to live?  Sure, Sleepy Joe could step in, socialize housing, and issue an edict that no one shall be homeless; but then what?

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You'd have to ask them. I have no idea.  Biden won't do anything that even slightly smells of socialism.
So while we are safe from the evils of Socialism (for now), the Homeless Hordes will soon be roaming the streets.

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18 Aug 2021, 12:11 pm

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The road that led to Trump was paved by neoliberal policies, for which Biden was a major supporter. We'll only get someone worse than Trump down the road, if this country manages to survive another couple of decades.
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment: How long have these tenants had to prepare for this day?  They knew it was coming; no one tried to hide it from them; so what have they done to assure themselves of having places to live?

Sure, Sleepy Joe could step in, socialize housing, and issue an edict that no one shall be homeless; but then what?

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Those who had money to pay rent should have and those unable should have worked something out. When they are evicted it will cast a long shadow on their future housing prospects.
When they are evicted, I envision a repeat of the Great Depression.

If only someone had acted more swiftly and decisively when the coronavirus was first detected in the United States...


People with money took advantage of the moratorium plain and simple. This will result in permanent structural changes to the housing market.



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18 Aug 2021, 1:54 pm

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Considering he's not Trump, and that's what I wanted? Yeah. Also, the headlines were always lit up with all the bad things Donald said or did. At least Biden has yet to do anything horrible. He's boring, but maybe boring is what we need right now. Things feel normal again, and I'm good with normal. Well...normal other than the pandemic, but considering the other side of the political spectrum is ironically the reason we're still in the mess we're in, I don't blame Biden for that.


How do you justify assigning blame to only the Rebublicans when both parties have equally supported the conflict in Afghanistan?


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18 Aug 2021, 2:16 pm

Wasnt Afghanistan occupied by the Russian for a Very long time before they gave up.
So the Western forces thought that they could do better . Now what happens to all the women and children we were teaching and educating. Especially the ones that were not able to escape their own country. Anybody whom cooperated with the American occupation . Can you imagine ?
What their lives will be like . in their Very Real Lives . :skull:


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18 Aug 2021, 2:31 pm

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Wasnt Afghanistan occupied by the Russian for a Very long time before they gave up.
So the Western forces thought that they could do better . Now what happens to all the women and children we were teaching and educating. Especially the ones that were not able to escape their own country. Anybody whom cooperated with the American occupation . Can you imagine ?
What their lives will be like . in their Very Real Lives . :skull:


Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Eventually, they were repelled with the help of the U.S. backed Taliban. That military fiasco contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union.


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18 Aug 2021, 3:31 pm

Some very true and sobering words fron Ron Paul 10 years ago.


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18 Aug 2021, 3:53 pm

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Some very true and sobering words from Ron Paul 10 years ago. [...]
A lot of people we admire harbor quite a bit of respect for Ron Paul.  And indeed, the paleolibertarian Paul has occasionally said intelligent things, and has rather frequently come across as a voice of reason in Congress. Fine.

The problem in the case of Ron Paul is largely a matter of his heavy involvement with the Dominionist and Christian Reconstructionist movements.  For instance, Paul is a close associate of theocratic madman Gary North.

And although Paul's policies are far from Dominionist at the federal level, his proposed legislations would result in the strengthening of a theocratic agenda by preventing the federal government from stopping establishment of theocratic legislation at the local level.  His We the People Act would strip the Federal courts of jurisdiction in cases involving abortion, same-sex marriage, privacy related to sexual behavior, and Establishment Clause issues, leaving them to the states, which is exactly what the Religious Right wants to do.  And the thing is, Paul has been rather explicit that theocracies at the local level are part of his deliberate agenda, and has also backed up the idea for instance by lamenting that prayer has been prohibited in schools, a common dishonest religious right trope, and by backing pastor Phillip Kayser, who advocates the death penalty for gays.  It seems, in fact, to be not entirely unfair to say that Paul is a Dominionist more than he is a Libertarian, but that he sees limited government as the primary practical means to theocracy -- he wants the church to be strong and the state to be weak.

Since he is a religious extremist, Paul does predictably not have much of an aptitude for science. He is, for instance, a creationist, dismissing evolution as "just a theory" that he does not accept. He is also a climate change denier.

Ron Paul is, at heart, a doddering, old, deranged theocrat. There is no way around that conclusion.

Source:  This "Encyclopedia of American Loons" Article 


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18 Aug 2021, 3:58 pm

^ I don't agree with many things Ron Paul has stated, nor do I subscribe entirely to libertarian ideology. But when someone is right, they're right.

Do you really want to go down this path again? You're attacking the source rather than the content.


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18 Aug 2021, 4:04 pm

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^ I don't agree with many things Ron Paul has stated, nor do I subscribe entirely to libertarian ideology. But when someone is right, they're right.  Do you really want to go down this path again?  You're attacking the source rather than the content.
Being well-informed about the source also informs me about the motive behind the content.

Then again, even a blind pig will find an occasional truffle.


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18 Aug 2021, 4:06 pm

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The road that led to Trump was paved by neoliberal policies, for which Biden was a major supporter. We'll only get someone worse than Trump down the road, if this country manages to survive another couple of decades.
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment: How long have these tenants had to prepare for this day?  They knew it was coming; no one tried to hide it from them; so what have they done to assure themselves of having places to live?

Sure, Sleepy Joe could step in, socialize housing, and issue an edict that no one shall be homeless; but then what?

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Those who had money to pay rent should have and those unable should have worked something out. When they are evicted it will cast a long shadow on their future housing prospects.

IOW it will be permanent homelessness for them?



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18 Aug 2021, 4:08 pm

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^ I don't agree with many things Ron Paul has stated, nor do I subscribe entirely to libertarian ideology. But when someone is right, they're right.  Do you really want to go down this path again?  You're attacking the source rather than the content.
Being well-informed about the source also informs me about the motive behind the content.

Then again, even a blind pig will find an occasional truffle.



So if his motive is dodgy, does that negate the truth in what he's saying? Does the truth evaporate in the presence of a bad motive?


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18 Aug 2021, 4:12 pm

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^ I don't agree with many things Ron Paul has stated, nor do I subscribe entirely to libertarian ideology. But when someone is right, they're right.  Do you really want to go down this path again?  You're attacking the source rather than the content.
Being well-informed about the source also informs me about the motive behind the content.  Then again, even a blind pig will find an occasional truffle.
So if his motive is dodgy, does that negate the truth in what he's saying? Does the truth evaporate in the presence of a bad motive?
Like I said, even a blind pig finds an occasional truffle -- even someone as daft as Ron Paul can occasionally be correct, but that does not make right all of the crap that flies out of his pie-hole.


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18 Aug 2021, 4:20 pm

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^ I don't agree with many things Ron Paul has stated, nor do I subscribe entirely to libertarian ideology. But when someone is right, they're right.  Do you really want to go down this path again?  You're attacking the source rather than the content.
Being well-informed about the source also informs me about the motive behind the content.  Then again, even a blind pig will find an occasional truffle.
So if his motive is dodgy, does that negate the truth in what he's saying? Does the truth evaporate in the presence of a bad motive?
Like I said, even a blind pig finds an occasional truffle.  Even someone as daft as Ron Paul can occasionally be correct, but that does not make right all of the crap that flies out of his pie-hole.


No, it doesn't. Did I say otherwise?


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18 Aug 2021, 4:39 pm

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^ I don't agree with many things Ron Paul has stated, nor do I subscribe entirely to libertarian ideology. But when someone is right, they're right.  Do you really want to go down this path again?  You're attacking the source rather than the content.
Being well-informed about the source also informs me about the motive behind the content.  Then again, even a blind pig will find an occasional truffle.
So if his motive is dodgy, does that negate the truth in what he's saying? Does the truth evaporate in the presence of a bad motive?
Like I said, even a blind pig finds an occasional truffle.  Even someone as daft as Ron Paul can occasionally be correct, but that does not make right all of the crap that flies out of his pie-hole.
No, it doesn't. [...]
Good.  Now you may understand why I disregard everything that certain other members may post, even when they are (very rarely) correct -- it is simply not worth the time and effort of sifting through their tons of crap to find the one lone jewel.


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18 Aug 2021, 4:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
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^ I don't agree with many things Ron Paul has stated, nor do I subscribe entirely to libertarian ideology. But when someone is right, they're right.  Do you really want to go down this path again?  You're attacking the source rather than the content.
Being well-informed about the source also informs me about the motive behind the content.  Then again, even a blind pig will find an occasional truffle.
So if his motive is dodgy, does that negate the truth in what he's saying? Does the truth evaporate in the presence of a bad motive?
Like I said, even a blind pig finds an occasional truffle.  Even someone as daft as Ron Paul can occasionally be correct, but that does not make right all of the crap that flies out of his pie-hole.
No, it doesn't. [...]
Good.  Now you may understand why I disregard everything that certain other members may post, even when they are (very rarely) correct -- it is simply not worth the time and effort of sifting through their tons of crap to find the one lone jewel.


No, I dont really understand. But there's no point in continuing a circular conversation


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