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08 Aug 2007, 3:55 pm

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well what do you say
its wrong to be gay?
I wont get into heaven because of it
I have to fallow God to be saved?
what is it
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What raggy says is that you can live your
life in whatever despicable matter you like,
as long as you subjugate yourself to his cruel
and vindictive God.

Otherwise, you'd have to hang out with those
of us who are honorable.

wow-I'll hang with you :P


only in platonic friendship... mind you


awwww :(



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08 Aug 2007, 3:56 pm

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I think bi people get it harder in some ways. They get sh** from some gay people I've noticed, for not choosing which they are or some crap like that. Still, I wish I was bi instead lol.


yeah but by rag's logic... it's easer for them to get into heaven... cause they just have to deny a portion of their sexuality (like he does when he abstains from premarital sex ect)

completely gay people have to fabricate hormones and a whole new genetic makeup!


Doctors have been fabricating testostrone and estrogen for years. Sopho and I have formerly mused as to what this could mean for gay people.


um... did i ever say that those two hormones are directly responsible for sexual preference? they bring about secondary sexual characteristics... for sure

i mean.... how would you even have gay people in the first place if it were that simple?



i somehow doubt your logic for deducing fabrication in scientific literature on any level


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08 Aug 2007, 3:59 pm

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Well, Jesus said His message would be sharply devisive. I guess He was right. You guys proved Him right.

I'm not questioning Jesus; I'm questioning you.



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08 Aug 2007, 4:00 pm

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Your real problem with me is that I esteem God above man.

Even if your'e wrong?

Yeah, you esteem God above man, believing you are doing right, when obviously and logically you are wrong.


Then why do hundreds of millions of people agree with me, if it's so "obvious" and "logical" that I'm wrong about God?


i think it's a lil bold of GB to say that statment... it's not an obvious point

it's just not being well supported (logically) on one side.... making it seem more obvious


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08 Aug 2007, 4:00 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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well what do you say
its wrong to be gay?
I wont get into heaven because of it
I have to fallow God to be saved?
what is it
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he's gonna say no... it's wrong for you to have sex with men... though it's still ~~ same



why deny who you are even if you "dont" sin?

cause god says so... it's an illogical impass...


Sin is not "who you are". Don't make sin sound like an identity, so that you can excuse it away; I know of that tactic. God deliberately made everyone different, so that "who you are" would be something unique and special. But sin is evil, and not part of that created uniqueness. It's nothing but baggage, or as John Bunyon wrote in his famous "Pilgrim's Progess", one of my most cherished books, sin is "this heavy burden". In his novel, sin was a literal giant sack this guy named "Christian" had to carry on his back through his entire life. England locked up John Bunyon simply for preaching -- just as the Apostle Paul was. The world has always tried to silence Christians, through as extreme means as were available to them at the time. Even the Catholic Church tried to silence them, through threats, torture, and painful executions.


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08 Aug 2007, 4:02 pm

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As you stated before, how do you know for a fact that women suck better than men? lol
Because being straight one can feel better when a woman does to you than a man, that's not a fact, it's a subjective view, because you are just seeing this in one single point of view, that of a straight man.


Indeed, I've rather heard the opposite.


take that seinfield show for example.... they stick with their team cause they have access to the equipment WAY more... so how can women compete in that arena :lol: :P


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08 Aug 2007, 4:03 pm

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The world has always tried to silence Christians, through as extreme means as were available to them at the time.

Aww. You poor Christians. :(



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08 Aug 2007, 4:04 pm

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My point is of art -- there was clearly an artist behind the design of the female body.


Come off it. That's your hormones talking.
You can't really tell me that you find human
females more appealing - artistically, than
cats. Humans, of all types, are funny-looking
apes.


No, I find art in cats, birds, trees, flowers, even insects. Just proves my point even more.


these points are irrelivant unless you find animals sexually attractive

No, "art" doesn't always give me a boner. :? What does sexual attraction have to do with whether something is artistic?
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as an artist myself, i am familiar with critiquing art.... plz use some sort of actual critique on the form of men/women/animals...... and relate it to why any of them is sexier/more beautiful

Trying to miss the forest for the trees, eh? ;) (Lose the main point through the near-sighted study of the minute details.)


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08 Aug 2007, 4:06 pm

what about what the christians did to the pagans, muslems and anyone else who refused to be with them :roll:



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08 Aug 2007, 4:06 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Well, Jesus said His message would be sharply devisive. I guess He was right. You guys proved Him right.

well my friend, most likely Jesus at the time was refering to the opression people suffered from the roman empire, I doubt he was refering to a couple of "deviant" people from wrongplanet ;)


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08 Aug 2007, 4:09 pm

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Your real problem with me is that I esteem God above man.

You know what? Terrorists in the 911 attack could use that same argument.


tangent: my beliefs support that those terrorists went to heaven IF they truly did believe they were doing the work of their god....
You use the term "heaven" in the generic, because you believe in different heavens. Just wanted to clarify; they won't be in the Bible's Heaven.


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08 Aug 2007, 4:09 pm

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What you're all trying to do, with all these questions upon recalibrated questions upon still more recalibrated questions, is find out where I end and my religion begins.

The problem with the assumptions behind that approach is that any true Christian will be joined to his religion seemlessly. That's what's so frustrating for you all. I'm being as civil as I can be while refusing to change my religion. And it drives you bonkers.


nope just that you have thi facade of "logic" to support your beliefs

if you're frank about your beliefs in the verbatum translation and acknoewlde that you have no tru logic (deducible within our system)...

then there's nothing more to argue about...


but that you try to use logic to support your believes (and dont do so in a linear or coherent, even, fashion) shows your weakness and inconsistancy

and i poo poo on your attitutde also for openly admitting you ignore valid points ect cause "you're above them" and they're "trivial"

you can pick and choose logic any more than you can pick and choose bits of your faith


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08 Aug 2007, 4:11 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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I think bi people get it harder in some ways. They get sh** from some gay people I've noticed, for not choosing which they are or some crap like that. Still, I wish I was bi instead lol.


yeah but by rag's logic... it's easer for them to get into heaven... cause they just have to deny a portion of their sexuality (like he does when he abstains from premarital sex ect)

completely gay people have to fabricate hormones and a whole new genetic makeup!


Doctors have been fabricating testostrone and estrogen for years. Sopho and I have formerly mused as to what this could mean for gay people.


um... did i ever say that those two hormones are directly responsible for sexual preference? they bring about secondary sexual characteristics... for sure

i mean.... how would you even have gay people in the first place if it were that simple?



i somehow doubt your logic for deducing fabrication in scientific literature on any level


Someday, science will find a way...


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08 Aug 2007, 4:11 pm

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how do you and all the other christians know your god is the one true god
what if the witches got it right after all


I'm sure.


again...

not any moreso than any other poius person of any other faith


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08 Aug 2007, 4:13 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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As you stated before, how do you know for a fact that women suck better than men? lol
Because being straight one can feel better when a woman does to you than a man, that's not a fact, it's a subjective view, because you are just seeing this in one single point of view, that of a straight man.


Indeed, I've rather heard the opposite.


take that seinfield show for example.... they stick with their team cause they have access to the equipment WAY more... so how can women compete in that arena :lol: :P

I've heard before that lesbians were better with cunnilingus than men.


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08 Aug 2007, 4:14 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Your real problem with me is that I esteem God above man.

You know what? Terrorists in the 911 attack could use that same argument.


tangent: my beliefs support that those terrorists went to heaven IF they truly did believe they were doing the work of their god....
You use the term "heaven" in the generic, because you believe in different heavens. Just wanted to clarify; they won't be in the Bible's Heaven.

Why not?
Because they don't share all of your views?
at least they share one.


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