The atheist crusades must stop!

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God is illogical because if faith is correct in the assumption that God's existence cannot be proved, then God is ultimately as unknowable as invisible, non-material, giant space hamsters. This concept is more logical than God because hamsters actually exist whereas God is a figment of our diseased brains. I have no doubt that God could exist but I have trouble accepting that God could be apart of the universe but not be physically present to some extent.

How would a creature who exists apart from space and time actually influence the world? Such a creature is nonsensical.

From a purely utilitarian perspective, the need for God has yet to demonstrated.

Last edited by corroonb on 24 Aug 2008, 2:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

This isnt half bad. Thiough now this could happen rl.

Evidence, Please?

I've just pointed out why I think people are not justified in "believing" that god exists. There simply isn't any evidence either way. I don't understand people who can believe something with no evidence. I don't believe in god or giant invisible space hamsters or ghosts or aliens (on our planet) or any other improbable and frankly unnecessary concepts. If you believe in god, you have no reason to question those who believe in giant invisible space hamsters or ghosts or lizard aliens plotting to destroy us. Your belief is as implausible and unscientific as all these other beliefs.

If there was evidence, I wouldn't have a problem but I still would not worship god.

I consider blind faith to be dangerous and easily exploited by the unscrupulous.

Last edited by corroonb on 24 Aug 2008, 3:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

well, we could say, by induction, that we all have diseased brains.

Old and established sounds like old, stagnant, and corrupted to me. I would bet this whole spaghetti thing started off with pieism, then turned into pizzaism, then from there turned to spaghetti, as nobody in their right mind would have started off with spaghetti worship. Pie is just clearly too superior.

Could these giant space hamsters also come in a miniature size?

Yes and one is called "Boo".

Yes! I know my game references!! !

I agree with the blind faith point, but "Deluded" may be a bit more accurate than "Diseased" since diseases may be innoculated against.

I agree. Sometimes in haste I use the wrong words.

'Low whistle'

That is one hell of a generalization. Please explain. I'm not saying you are wrong precisely, but I would like some more info to back that up.

I would also offer that there is alot of evidence to support that there are many religions that aren't '...all about determining who is right and who is wrong.'

In my experience most people that are drawn to religion for that kind of ego-centric comfort are generally missing the point. That is an abysmally common individual character flaw that has been actively exploited for a long time by organized religions (christianity is my case-in-point), mostly to control The Great Unwashed to the benefit of a few.

Your all-inclusive statement there has a flavor of contempt that has a certain religious-holier-than-thou-fervor. Careful of hypocrisy.

Really? You're QUITE sure about that, are you?

Definitely and truly QUITE sure.

As someone who works in medical genetics and epigenetics, I can assure you that there are diseases for which inoculation would be inherently impossible.

How does one inoculate to reverse a series of DNA methylation/demethylation events?

I said, "Diseases may be innoculated against," not "ALL disease CAN be innoculated against."
And of that, I am quite sure.

As you would put it, Evidence, please?

As to difference this between opinion or personal feelings towards religion from accurate facts. Not to say you are wrong, necessarily, but in order to have fairness and consistency, would be nice to have information for this considered factual, or better said, evidence for this, if not, then only would be considered as an opinion, and just that, accurately.

Anyway, my opinion would be, and yes, I'm providing my opinion not a fact, from guessing and from some reading and from experience (I was one), I could say that the nature of religion could be more complicated than that.
#1. Meaning of life, to find a meaning about our own existence, where are we from and where are we going.

#2. To establish control and order in a given society, set of rules, in which religion would be the basis of motivation for people to behave in order to get recompense and to avoid punishment, it is in a way similar to current western law in society, punishment for doing "wrong", a criminal act.

#3 I think this is to be related to #1 or an extraction from #1 if you will, to fulfill a purpose in life, what, as a family and community have to fulfill in life, to feel good about oneself related to others and to God and hoping to get to a better life. Delusional you might say in this case, well, what if it is? How many reasons being "deluded" in this case would be a bad thing?

I could be, for certain that #2 would be the case within monotheistic religions, in other religions, I can't be so sure about that, but perhaps some of that.

When you said religion I would assume, most of us here would assume I suppose that you would be referring to Christianity, or perhaps you didn't.

I have heard rumors the even well mannered Muslims propose to execute any fellow Muslim who decides to abandon his faith.