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31 Mar 2019, 5:11 pm

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To me, Marxism is the ideology of Karl Marx.


You are compartmentalising. The failures of the Soviet system and the fact that it would never be accepted in the Western world as it was, was obvious to some Marxists as early as the 1920s, but that didn't mean they gave up on the dream. All the various ideologies, including Trotskyism, Eurocommunism, Blairism, neoconservatism are direct offshoots of the Marxist dream. Gramsci's writings are of particular interest and relevance to modern Marxism and the modern world as it is. Vanilla Marxism itself was a fairly bland offshoot of the French Revolution. It's a branched continuum of ideologies all with approximately the same vision and endgame.

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Peter Hitchens looks at Marxism, looks at Blairism, notices that they both have some commitment to equality and don't look to the church for authority


No, no it's not. It isn't something he "noticed", it's something he took part in, believed in and fought for. Read the neo-Marxist thinkers, their plans and ideas regarding social, moral and cultural revolution being a precursor to the real revolution. They wrote it all down for you to read. Then they did it.

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particularly if "centre" is affixed


The "centre" is nonsense, it doesn't exist. At it's best it's a way to smear your opponents as extremists. At worse it's deception to cover up true motives. I found that article I mentioned earlier. A New Labour insider outright says:

New Labour was not intended merely as a short-term electoral fix after 18 years out of power and four crushing election defeats (though that would not have been a terrible thing), but as a radical new force in British politics. The “project” was infinitely more revolutionary than anything proposed by Jeremy Corbyn or his supporters.

This is absolutely true, yet now Corbyn is supposedly the "left wing extremist". New Labour is centrist and the Tories are right wing, oh and up is down and left is right... war is peace.... freedom is...


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31 Mar 2019, 5:20 pm

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Mr Mikah, may I request that you post on this forum a little more often? You're one of less than half a dozen or so members here I ever bother to go out of my way to read.


It's nice to know someone reads them. I'm afraid I can't promise to post more though, negative incentives and all that..

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There is almost nothing economic about Marxism in its contemporary form


Yes. Also worth remembering is that vanilla Marx wasn't that focussed on economics either. Capitalism was at times both an obstacle to and a useful tool to obtain the end goal of a perfect human society. To drop the crazy economics and try another method is Marxism+, not a betrayal of it.


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31 Mar 2019, 7:47 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
Mr Mikah, may I request that you post on this forum a little more often?


Seconded... 8)



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02 Apr 2019, 9:57 am

Letwin & Cooper bringing an actual Bill forward to be read, debated on and voted on tomorrow.

If passed it would put into law that we cannot leave on 'no deal' terms



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02 Apr 2019, 1:31 pm

7 hour cabinet meeting today and all they came up with was asking for another extension, confirmation she will ask Corbyn to chat about it all and of course more blaming Labour for anything she can think of :lol:



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02 Apr 2019, 2:53 pm

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7 hour cabinet meeting today and all they came up with was asking for another extension, confirmation she will ask Corbyn to chat about it all and of course more blaming Labour for anything she can think of :lol:

Not sure what else could have come out of that meeting. May's painted herself into a corner and there's precious few options available to her.



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02 Apr 2019, 3:42 pm

She'll keep playing stunts until she gets her surrender treaty through.


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03 Apr 2019, 12:03 pm

Speaker has to cast a vote after an amendment comes out at 210-210

First time in 26 years!



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03 Apr 2019, 12:03 pm

Business motion for the Cooper amendment passed by just 1 vote



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03 Apr 2019, 1:33 pm

Cooper bill passes by 5 on the 2nd reading. 3rd reading at 10:00pm.



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03 Apr 2019, 1:51 pm

So its Bremain?


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03 Apr 2019, 2:40 pm

Long way to go. Anything could happen.



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03 Apr 2019, 3:09 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
Cooper bill passes by 5 on the 2nd reading. 3rd reading at 10:00pm.


Utterly disgusting that parasite has played any role in this


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03 Apr 2019, 3:33 pm

Bill Cash currently won't stop talking. He is desperately filibustering away to not let this vote happen tonight :lol:



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04 Apr 2019, 2:48 am

Cooper Bill passes by just 1 vote 8O (not that it really could end up meaning much anyway tbh)

For those that enjoy a bit of outrage - Fiona Onasanya voted in favour of the bill last night, while she was wearing an ankle tag, because she is not long released from prison, while there are many calls for her to be kicked out of politics completely



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04 Apr 2019, 5:38 pm

..Yet more Irish turkey in favour of Haggis bremaining over national sheeps eye and staring Boris Nonsense in the fiscal face of yet another political millennia..

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