11 May 2011, 9:19 am
leejosepho wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
Only one of those is a name, and the others are titles.
ok... names is meant as in nomenclatures. better?
Yes, something like that ...
Quote:
Nomenclature (Webster)
NOMENCLATURE, n. [See Nomenclator.]
1. A list or catalogue of the more usual and important words in a language, with their significations; a vocabulary or dictionary.
2. The names of things in any art or science, or the whole vocabulary of names or technical terms which are appropriated to any particular branch of science; as the nomenclature of botany or of chimistry; the new nomenclature of Lavoisier and his associates.
NOMENCLATURE, n. [See Nomenclator.]
1. A list or catalogue of the more usual and important words in a language, with their significations; a vocabulary or dictionary.
2. The names of things in any art or science, or the whole vocabulary of names or technical terms which are appropriated to any particular branch of science; as the nomenclature of botany or of chimistry; the new nomenclature of Lavoisier and his associates.
My own personal issue there is with Christians who try to answer Proverbs 30:4 by saying "God" (a mere word that is not really even a name at all) actually has many names!
are we going to throw around with vocabularies or are you going to explain why the bible and the stories are not consistent?
Quote:
nomenclature |ˈnōmənˌklā ch ər|
noun
the devising or choosing of names for things, esp. in a science or other discipline.
• the body or system of such names in a particular field : the nomenclature of chemical compounds.
• formal the term or terms applied to someone or something : “customers” was preferred to the original nomenclature “passengers.”
noun
the devising or choosing of names for things, esp. in a science or other discipline.
• the body or system of such names in a particular field : the nomenclature of chemical compounds.
• formal the term or terms applied to someone or something : “customers” was preferred to the original nomenclature “passengers.”
e.g. names, terms & titles....
come on now... you can do better than this.
11 May 2011, 10:05 am
aspi-rant wrote:
that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
Though the compounded names are titles frequently used. God is often referred to by titles. (and plurals, which has often made me too wonder about schizophrenia)
In Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega", says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty." God gives himself 4 different names.
"Why the Bible and the stories aren't consistent...?" ... Because the Bible is not divinely inspired, but written by men who had different understandings and viewpoints..?
(I'm on my first cup of coffee still, so brain not at full capacity, though I think I've properly constructed a thought here
)
11 May 2011, 10:14 am
BurntOutMom wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
Though the compounded names are titles frequently used. God is often referred to by titles. (and plurals, which has often made me too wonder about schizophrenia)
In Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega", says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty." God gives himself 4 different names.
"Why the Bible and the stories aren't consistent...?" ... Because the Bible is not divinely inspired, but written by men who had different understandings and viewpoints..?
(I'm on my first cup of coffee still, so brain not at full capacity, though I think I've properly constructed a thought here
)i know...
enjoy your coffee and in the meantime learn all about the Alpha and the Omega "naming" in the videoclip i linked above...
11 May 2011, 10:26 am
11 May 2011, 10:31 am
Vexcalibur wrote:
Oh please, no the zeitgeist crap. Zero threads about it are more than enough.
it is not about the zeitgeist crap...
it is about where inspiration for religions came from.. no more no less. the rest of the zeitgeist movie is completely irrelevant in this discussion.
the zeitgeist movie happens to make a very nice attempt to show a lot of connections between religions, long before the three most renown saw the light of day...
11 May 2011, 10:48 am
aspi-rant wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
Only one of those is a name, and the others are titles.
ok... names is meant as in nomenclatures. better?
Yes, something like that ...
Quote:
Nomenclature (Webster)
NOMENCLATURE, n. [See Nomenclator.]
1. A list or catalogue of the more usual and important words in a language, with their significations; a vocabulary or dictionary.
2. The names of things in any art or science, or the whole vocabulary of names or technical terms which are appropriated to any particular branch of science; as the nomenclature of botany or of chimistry; the new nomenclature of Lavoisier and his associates.
NOMENCLATURE, n. [See Nomenclator.]
1. A list or catalogue of the more usual and important words in a language, with their significations; a vocabulary or dictionary.
2. The names of things in any art or science, or the whole vocabulary of names or technical terms which are appropriated to any particular branch of science; as the nomenclature of botany or of chimistry; the new nomenclature of Lavoisier and his associates.
My own personal issue there is with Christians who try to answer Proverbs 30:4 by saying "God" (a mere word that is not really even a name at all) actually has many names!
are we going to throw around with vocabularies or are you going to explain why the bible and the stories are not consistent?
Quote:
nomenclature |ˈnōmənˌklā ch ər|
noun
the devising or choosing of names for things, esp. in a science or other discipline.
• the body or system of such names in a particular field : the nomenclature of chemical compounds.
• formal the term or terms applied to someone or something : “customers” was preferred to the original nomenclature “passengers.”
noun
the devising or choosing of names for things, esp. in a science or other discipline.
• the body or system of such names in a particular field : the nomenclature of chemical compounds.
• formal the term or terms applied to someone or something : “customers” was preferred to the original nomenclature “passengers.”
e.g. names, terms & titles....
come on now... you can do better than this.
Good luck with that.
11 May 2011, 11:00 am
11 May 2011, 11:03 am
11 May 2011, 11:15 am
aspi-rant wrote:
enjoy your coffee and in the meantime learn all about the Alpha and the Omega "naming" in the videoclip i linked above...
OMG.. that had the longest, worstest intro EVER... but the rest was great... There was a lot I was aware of, but it added tons of stuff I didn't know or didn't recall. The only thing in it that I question is the part about Constantine. I have tried to study this a little more deeply, but nothing I've found is definitive. They either say that the First Counsel of Nicaea is where the books of the Bible were chosen, or that it was never discussed at all. Also conflicting theories of Constantine was very involved, or not at all aside from calling together the counsel. If you happen to know a good, reliable resource for this information, I would be very interested.
I can't wait to see what my mom says about this video. She's probably the most open-minded Christian I know and has a deep love of mythology.. This should be interesting!! !
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11 May 2011, 12:05 pm
ruveyn wrote:
01001011 wrote:
One common misunderstanding about the OT: while the Jews only worship JHWH, that doesn't mean the Jews believe JHWH is the only object of the kind that exists.
Some Jews worship YHWH. Others worship Yoo Hoo and yet others worship YA HA. Some worship El.
... and from somewhere from within all of that, I have discovered a personal and completely-absolute aversion to any and every use of the word/name "Yahoo" (even to the point of removing any such entry ever found within my machine's registry).
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11 May 2011, 12:13 pm
01001011 wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)
Only one of those is a name, and the others are titles.
ok... names is meant as in nomenclatures. better?
Yes, something like that ...
Quote:
Nomenclature (Webster)
NOMENCLATURE, n. [See Nomenclator.]
1. A list or catalogue of the more usual and important words in a language, with their significations; a vocabulary or dictionary.
2. The names of things in any art or science, or the whole vocabulary of names or technical terms which are appropriated to any particular branch of science; as the nomenclature of botany or of chimistry; the new nomenclature of Lavoisier and his associates.
NOMENCLATURE, n. [See Nomenclator.]
1. A list or catalogue of the more usual and important words in a language, with their significations; a vocabulary or dictionary.
2. The names of things in any art or science, or the whole vocabulary of names or technical terms which are appropriated to any particular branch of science; as the nomenclature of botany or of chimistry; the new nomenclature of Lavoisier and his associates.
My own personal issue there is with Christians who try to answer Proverbs 30:4 by saying "God" (a mere word that is not really even a name at all) actually has many names!
are we going to throw around with vocabularies or are you going to explain why the bible and the stories are not consistent?
Quote:
nomenclature |ˈnōmənˌklā ch ər|
noun
the devising or choosing of names for things, esp. in a science or other discipline.
• the body or system of such names in a particular field : the nomenclature of chemical compounds.
• formal the term or terms applied to someone or something : “customers” was preferred to the original nomenclature “passengers.”
noun
the devising or choosing of names for things, esp. in a science or other discipline.
• the body or system of such names in a particular field : the nomenclature of chemical compounds.
• formal the term or terms applied to someone or something : “customers” was preferred to the original nomenclature “passengers.”
e.g. names, terms & titles....
come on now... you can do better than this.
Good luck with that.
I had actually not even made any effort at all.
Quote:
are you going to explain why the bible and the stories are not consistent?
Do you truly not already know?!
11 May 2011, 12:23 pm
BurntOutMom wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
enjoy your coffee and in the meantime learn all about the Alpha and the Omega "naming" in the videoclip i linked above...
OMG.. that had the longest, worstest intro EVER... but the rest was great... There was a lot I was aware of, but it added tons of stuff I didn't know or didn't recall. The only thing in it that I question is the part about Constantine. I have tried to study this a little more deeply, but nothing I've found is definitive. They either say that the First Counsel of Nicaea is where the books of the Bible were chosen, or that it was never discussed at all. Also conflicting theories of Constantine was very involved, or not at all aside from calling together the counsel. If you happen to know a good, reliable resource for this information, I would be very interested.
I can't wait to see what my mom says about this video. She's probably the most open-minded Christian I know and has a deep love of mythology.. This should be interesting!! !
the rest of the zeitgeist movie is about conspiracies etc.
it is entertaining... but please be a sceptic!
it would have taken me a lot of work to compile the info presented in this video, so that is why i choose to refer to it.
i agree that the intro is very loooong... (nicely done though... but looooong)
11 May 2011, 12:25 pm
leejosepho wrote:
Do you truly not already know?!
oh yeah.. i know.... does it show?
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11 May 2011, 12:31 pm
aspi-rant wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Do you truly not already know?!
oh yeah.. i know.... does it show?
Uh ... mabe lemme git mu rusy ol' TrolDar sysem bak up n werkin mabe n anuder fu monts r zo ...
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11 May 2011, 12:42 pm
11 May 2011, 12:47 pm
aspi-rant wrote:
the rest of the zeitgeist movie is about conspiracies etc.
it is entertaining... but please be a sceptic!
it would have taken me a lot of work to compile the info presented in this video, so that is why i choose to refer to it.
i agree that the intro is very loooong... (nicely done though... but looooong)
it is entertaining... but please be a sceptic!
it would have taken me a lot of work to compile the info presented in this video, so that is why i choose to refer to it.
i agree that the intro is very loooong... (nicely done though... but looooong)
I always question... and conspiracy theories are at least food for thought and thought challenges or strengthens ideas.
If you take the theories presented in your video as mostly true or acknowledge that there are archeological proofs of similarities in ancient religious cultures, this sparks questions for me. Do these similarities stem from a common, even more ancient, ancestral ideology that spread around the globe as humanity migrated? If you include the gods of Central and South America, this would mean that these beliefs originated prior to, or during the time of Beringia. Or that the Spaniards contaminated the mythologies of these gods. Or that the Christ story is true and there have been many incarnations of the Christ.
It just makes me think.... and that's cool.
