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10 Aug 2011, 11:20 pm

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You can blame Government on this too actually... There are so many legal hoops you have to jump through to adopt an infant in the United States, it's quite frankly ridiculous.


And yet i know multiple married couples who spent more than 7 years waiting for the chance to adopt an infant. Admittedly an infant that could reasonably pass for their own child, e.g. white.

There's clearly a fear of the unknown keeping some pregnant women from seriously considering the adoption angle.

One option offers them 19 years hard labor. One option offers them freedom in exchange for a little pain and a little money. The other option is just a big question mark.



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10 Aug 2011, 11:42 pm

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I still want to hear whether or not you are willing to donate a kidney, which you don't really need, to save the life of some other deserving person.


:roll:

Again another strawman argument, cause a child in the womb is only in the womb for a matter of months, it isn't a permanent situation like removing organs.

bullshit- its an extra kidney. Almost no one dies from having a kidney removed - nearly every living donor, just like nearly every pregnant woman, goes on to live a full and normal life after the procedure. It's an organ that you don't need and someone else will die without.

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How can you say that someone is not a human being one minute but a few weeks later they are.

As you yourself have noted, the CNS of a fetus develops pretty rapidly. The data show that, by the middle of the 3rd trimester, a fetus has significantly more neural function than a 2nd trimester fetus.

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So if they someday say that children under age 12 are nothing more than property, I guess you would be okay with that too.
Talk about strawmen...

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If what you call a "fetus" which is in reality a child...

No. Medically, a fetus is not a child and a child is not a fetus. Neither one is an embryo, and not a child nor a fetus nor an embryo is a zygote. The terms are specific and mutually exclusive. You are simply incorrect on this.

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...or for that matter what makes you anything more than property, because you happen to be autistic so you aren't "really human."

I miss out on far more because of my gender than because of my autism.

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However, why should we condone the murder of an innocent child, simply cause it may make the rape victim feel better. Two wrongs do not make a right!

It's not murder.
It's not innocent.
It's not a child.
and, finally, 'making the rape victim feel better' is not "simple" in either the sense of being trivial or the sense of being not difficult.



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10 Aug 2011, 11:43 pm

Actually, looking at the data again, I can add those numbers, as they are the percent who listed that reason as the most important.



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10 Aug 2011, 11:44 pm

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If people feel strongly enough about preventing abortion, why can't they step up and say "I will make this easy for you. I will explain exactly how this works, and i will support you both financially and logistically to get that baby born and into the waiting arms of qualified parents"?

like this?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... tions.html

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http://www.cakidsconnection.org/
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There are over 58,000 children in foster care in California. Children and youth in foster care, like all children, need adults who will love, nurture, protect, and inspire them. They need families who are committed to them unconditionally, so they can grow to their full potential as confident, contributing, creative young women and men. Are you interested in adopting a child from foster care?

^one state.



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10 Aug 2011, 11:47 pm

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However, why should we condone the murder of an innocent child, simply cause it may make the rape victim feel better. Two wrongs do not make a right!

It's not murder.
It's not innocent.
It's not a child.
and, finally, 'making the rape victim feel better' is not "simple" in either the sense of being trivial or the sense of being not difficult.


Thank you for showing once and for all that I am right about pro-abortion people having to resort to dehumanization to justify their mass murder of innocent children.



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10 Aug 2011, 11:49 pm

Keep the faith, Inuyasha.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:03 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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However, why should we condone the murder of an innocent child, simply cause it may make the rape victim feel better. Two wrongs do not make a right!

It's not murder.
It's not innocent.
It's not a child.
and, finally, 'making the rape victim feel better' is not "simple" in either the sense of being trivial or the sense of being not difficult.


Thank you for showing once and for all that I am right about pro-abortion people having to resort to dehumanization to justify their mass murder of innocent children.


Nonsense. Generally i revert to personal attacks based on the fact that pro-lifers only seem to care about innocent children before they are born.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:55 am

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If people feel strongly enough about preventing abortion, why can't they step up and say "I will make this easy for you. I will explain exactly how this works, and i will support you both financially and logistically to get that baby born and into the waiting arms of qualified parents"?


I have made such an offer personally, to no avail. Also, my family supports two children who are not our blood relations but are by our own deceleration, family. People who choose to have an abortion seem to pick it both because it is easily accessible (at least in Australia) and because it seems to be a fast way to escape the situation. If one views it as a way to move on, carrying the child full term is a bit too much reality for them to deal with.

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It's not murder.
It's not innocent.
It's not a child.


Considering the fact that, by your own statements you do not oppose late term abortion, how can I trust your judgement on this. A late term abortion certainly is carried out on an innocent child, the child dies because of an intention to kill it, that makes it murder. Please note, killing an abortion doctor is also murder.


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11 Aug 2011, 10:03 am

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blauSamstag wrote:
It's not murder.
It's not innocent.
It's not a child.


Considering the fact that, by your own statements you do not oppose late term abortion, how can I trust your judgement on this. A late term abortion certainly is carried out on an innocent child, the child dies because of an intention to kill it, that makes it murder. Please note, killing an abortion doctor is also murder.


that was LKL



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11 Aug 2011, 11:15 am

My sister in law was raped got pregnant and was forced to marry the rapist.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:25 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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However, why should we condone the murder of an innocent child, simply cause it may make the rape victim feel better. Two wrongs do not make a right!

It's not murder.
It's not innocent.
It's not a child.
and, finally, 'making the rape victim feel better' is not "simple" in either the sense of being trivial or the sense of being not difficult.


Thank you for showing once and for all that I am right about pro-abortion people having to resort to dehumanization to justify their mass murder of innocent children.


Nonsense. Generally i revert to personal attacks based on the fact that pro-lifers only seem to care about innocent children before they are born.


You really don't know what "personal attack" means, I just quoted what LKL said and told the truth as to what LKL said. That is not a personal attack, I'm not going to sit here and lie in order to not offend someone. I value my honesty and integrity over trying to get people to like me, if you don't like that too bad.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:53 pm

yeah.. she should, but if she doesn't want to that's nobody's business (as long as its in the first trimester.)



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11 Aug 2011, 12:56 pm

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yeah.. she should, but if she doesn't want to that's nobody's business (as long as its in the first trimester.)


As soon as there is brain activity (no matter how primitive), we are no longer dealing with just the woman's life, we have the life of a child thrown into the mix. Want me to use heartbeat as the point where life begins, I could do that (which is even earlier than the brain activity).



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11 Aug 2011, 1:07 pm

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yeah.. she should, but if she doesn't want to that's nobody's business (as long as its in the first trimester.)


As soon as there is brain activity (no matter how primitive), we are no longer dealing with just the woman's life, we have the life of a child thrown into the mix. Want me to use heartbeat as the point where life begins, I could do that (which is even earlier than the brain activity).

get your science and your perspective straight please.

even worms have neural activity,


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11 Aug 2011, 1:09 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
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yeah.. she should, but if she doesn't want to that's nobody's business (as long as its in the first trimester.)


As soon as there is brain activity (no matter how primitive), we are no longer dealing with just the woman's life, we have the life of a child thrown into the mix. Want me to use heartbeat as the point where life begins, I could do that (which is even earlier than the brain activity).

get your science and your perspective straight please.

even worms have neural activity,


Human women do not give birth to worms (or at least I hope they don't)... 8O

Thank you for proving once again that the pro-abortion platform is dehumanizing innocent children so they can say that it is perfectly okay to commit mass murder.



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11 Aug 2011, 1:17 pm

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Thank you for showing once and for all that I am right about pro-abortion people having to resort to dehumanization to justify their mass murder of innocent children.

Thank you for showing once and for all that you are a moron.

BTW, for the dehumanization of Inuyasha, I can't fight or argue against that.