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24 Nov 2011, 2:24 am

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Darling, they're pushing tolerance in the classrooms. You can't push a straight kid gay any more than you can push a gay kid straight.

Stanton, L. Jones; Mark A. Yarhouse (September 2007) (PDF). Ex-Gays?: A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change In Sexual Orientation. Intervarsity Press Academic. ISBN 978-0-8308-2846-3.

Schaffer, Kim; Nottebaum, L., Smith, P., Dech, K. & Krawczyk, J. (1999). Religiously-motivated sexual orientation change: A follow-up study. 27. Journal of Psychology and Theology. pp. 329–337.

Ponticelli, C.M. (June 1999). Crafting stories of identity reconstruction. 62. Social Psychology Quarterly. pp. 157–172.

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24 Nov 2011, 3:37 am

@ 91: have you ever heard of the Kinsey scale? Did you know that there's social pressure agaisnt identifying as 'bisexual' in the LGBT community?
Have you heard of the damage done by 'pray away the gay' ministries?
Do you know the recidivism rate for graduates of 'ex gay' programs?

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24 Nov 2011, 3:54 am

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@ 91: have you ever heard of the Kinsey scale?

Of course. Hence my implication that you were making a simplistic statement.

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24 Nov 2011, 4:34 am

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My friend who was also my best man at my wedding, who is also gay, had one time poked fun at bisexuals by comparing them to Rancheros - not quite a truck, not quite a car. I don't think he meant anything hurtful by it, just that he at the time seemed to believe bisexual individuals should choose to be straight or gay. Only latter did my wife let him on to the fact that she's bisexual. He's since learned to accept that certain people, as my wife, have sexual attractions to both genders, just as he has same sex attractions.

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24 Nov 2011, 6:04 am

^

One of my best friends from highschool was aggressively and unashamedly bi, I really think in his case it was simply a matter of doubling his potential targets of opportunity. Funny guy, he and another of my friends had this sort of Inspector Clouseau and Kato thing going on with martial arts sparing and ambushing each other, which of course would never have worked well with me. But I digress.

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24 Nov 2011, 9:02 am

The Republican Party actually does have a presidential candidate who is an openly homosexual man: Fred Karger

http://fredkarger.com/

Fox Noise, which is a major organ of the Republican Party, deliberately discriminated against him by not permitting him to participate in debates

http://www.inquisitr.com/134427/fox-new ... d-scoring/

Which proves that Fox Noise and the Republican Party are absolutely not Christian. :shameonyou:

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24 Nov 2011, 2:15 pm

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I never even heard of this guy. I doubt I'd ever vote for any Republican, but I sincerely would have liked to have known about him and his platform. It's obvious, he's been excluded solely to suck up to the fundie voters in the Republican party.
Thanks Fox.

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25 Nov 2011, 2:28 am

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LKL wrote:

Darling, they're pushing tolerance in the classrooms. You can't push a straight kid gay any more than you can push a gay kid straight.

Exactly!
I find it so completely unbelievable that people claiming to be Christians would rather see gay kids bullied into suicide because they believe that tolerating homosexuality is somehow such an abomination.

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I don't think Kindergartners are old enough to be seriously thinking about their sexual orientation...

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25 Nov 2011, 3:00 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

LKL wrote:

Darling, they're pushing tolerance in the classrooms. You can't push a straight kid gay any more than you can push a gay kid straight.

I don't think Kindergartners are old enough to be seriously thinking about their sexual orientation...

But they should be taught to be tolerant toward everyone else, and that bullying is unacceptable. As I've stated on numerous occasions, my six year old daughter has been diagnosed with autism, and that being the case, my biggest fear for her was that she'd be bullied and made fun of by her peers, which I had undergone as a kid. The last parent-teacher conference my wife and I had with my daughter's teachers set my fears to rest, as tolerance is emphasized in her school - in fact, I was very happy to learn that my little girl is very popular and has many friends. The fact of the matter is, kids need to be taught that bullying and intolerance toward their fellow students has absolutely no place, regardless if the child in question is autistic, gay, an ethnic minority, or whatever. And yes, that means it has to start as early as kindergarten.

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25 Nov 2011, 3:52 am

^^^^

I like what you are saying. Tolerance should be taught. The message that everyone has to take responsibility for their own opinions is a good one which is undercut dramatically when we, the taxpaying adults, abdicate that responsibility to our government and our teachers.

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25 Nov 2011, 5:03 am

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Thank you for the nod of approval.

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25 Nov 2011, 1:02 pm

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We have a problem with Gay Marriage that does not mean we're advocating rounding up and throwing homosexuals in camps or something outrageous like that, the left seriously need to grow up.

Huh?

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25 Nov 2011, 3:30 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

We have a problem with Gay Marriage that does not mean we're advocating rounding up and throwing homosexuals in camps or something outrageous like that, the left seriously need to grow up.

Huh?

When did anyone on the left say the right was going to send gays to concentration camp? We just said gays should be afforded the same rights and respect as anyone else.
That generally means gays should be able to get married, if they like. If you have a problem with gay marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex, simple as that. Funny how conservatives, who advocate the notion that government should stay out of people's lives should want Big Brother in the bedroom.

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25 Nov 2011, 5:22 pm

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We have a problem with Gay Marriage that does not mean we're advocating rounding up and throwing homosexuals in camps or something outrageous like that, the left seriously need to grow up.

Not sure who "we" refers to here but whoever it is, I think they have more than a little growing up to do too.

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25 Nov 2011, 7:04 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

We have a problem with Gay Marriage that does not mean we're advocating rounding up and throwing homosexuals in camps or something outrageous like that, the left seriously need to grow up.

Not sure who "we" refers to here but whoever it is, I think they have more than a little growing up to do too.

I'd say, "a lot" more.

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25 Nov 2011, 7:40 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

MarsCoban wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

We have a problem with Gay Marriage that does not mean we're advocating rounding up and throwing homosexuals in camps or something outrageous like that, the left seriously need to grow up.

Huh?

Either you didn't mean to quote me, but Inuyasha, or you misunderstood my post.

What I meant is, I don't understand how a traditionalist can tell progressives that they need to "grow up" when he is the one with his feet firmly planted in a dead, bigoted past.

Inuyasha, I personally don't see any logical reason(s) to prevent gays from marrying. Enlighten me, please.

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