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18 Aug 2015, 10:50 am

I think trump can do the job. He has a good point about illegal immigrants, but he doesn't have to build a wall. So I am both on his side and not.


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18 Aug 2015, 11:00 am

Aspie202 wrote:
I think trump can do the job. He has a good point about illegal immigrants, but he doesn't have to build a wall. So I am both on his side and not.

So, is your name Schrödinger, by any chance...



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18 Aug 2015, 7:37 pm

The sad thing is he leads polls probably because people are too fed up with career politicians and here's someone who isn't ... and in a way, it feels good to show those career politicians that whenever there is a clown among them, the clown makes more sense.



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18 Aug 2015, 7:41 pm

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The sad thing is he leads polls probably because people are too fed up with career politicians and here's someone who isn't ... and in a way, it feels good to show those career politicians that whenever there is a clown among them, the clown makes more sense.

sorta like "the emperor is wearing no clothes"?



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18 Aug 2015, 7:49 pm

I don't think that Donald Trump would be a good president if elected (I won't vote for Trump) because he would do a poor job of handling the economy based on how many of his business ventures went bankrupt!



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18 Aug 2015, 7:52 pm

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I don't think that Donald Trump would be a good president if elected (I won't vote for Trump) because he would do a poor job of handling the economy based on how many of his business ventures went bankrupt!

IMHO his election would mark the "jump the shark" moment the USA became morally irrelevant on the world stage.



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18 Aug 2015, 10:11 pm

The problem is, far too many Americans think the USA is a business, and should be run like a business. Civil government is not a business, by a long shot, and the solution to the country's problems is not the cash register solutions offered by Trump and his ilk.


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18 Aug 2015, 10:28 pm

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The problem is, far too many Americans think the USA is a business, and should be run like a business. Civil government is not a business, by a long shot, and the solution to the country's problems is not the cash register solutions offered by Trump and his ilk.


Which is exactly the issue Milton Shapp ran into when he became governor of PA in the 1970's. He ran his campaign on the premise that the government should be run like a business. The current PA governor, Tom Wolf, is finding that out quite painfully right now. (Of course, PA is now the Mississippi of the Northeast).



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18 Aug 2015, 10:30 pm

There used to be some businesses that cared about quality of product or service and their employees, along with profit. Most successful companies now seem to only care about profit. That is no way to run a civilization.


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18 Aug 2015, 10:38 pm

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There used to be some businesses that cared about quality of product or service and their employees, along with profit. Most successful companies now seem to only care about profit. That is no way to run a civilization.

that is the reason we are in a race to the bottom. only TPTB are blinded by avarice and can't/won't see it. or even worse, they do see it but think they can escape in time either via "rapture" or some quasi-"Elysium" type of solution.



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19 Aug 2015, 1:13 am

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The problem is, far too many Americans think the USA is a business, and should be run like a business. Civil government is not a business, by a long shot, and the solution to the country's problems is not the cash register solutions offered by Trump and his ilk.


Which is exactly the issue Milton Shapp ran into when he became governor of PA in the 1970's. He ran his campaign on the premise that the government should be run like a business. The current PA governor, Tom Wolf, is finding that out quite painfully right now. (Of course, PA is now the Mississippi of the Northeast).

Ouch!


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19 Aug 2015, 1:18 am

auntblabby wrote:
justkillingtime wrote:
There used to be some businesses that cared about quality of product or service and their employees, along with profit. Most successful companies now seem to only care about profit. That is no way to run a civilization.

that is the reason we are in a race to the bottom. only TPTB are blinded by avarice and can't/won't see it. or even worse, they do see it but think they can escape in time either via "rapture" or some quasi-"Elysium" type of solution.


We live from the cradle to the grave in the shadow of self interest and the power of money...so its hardly surprising our politicians are all of these things.



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21 Aug 2015, 12:07 pm

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I think trump can do the job. He has a good point about illegal immigrants, but he doesn't have to build a wall. So I am both on his side and not.


Yeah last thing we need is a big ugly wall...........as for his good point what that all children born of undocumented 'mexicans' should be deported to a country they have never been to? I thought being born in the U.S makes you a citizen...regardless of how much people hate illegal immigrants(though I imagine most people don't actually do much looking into what drives illegal immigration or what conditions some of these people are attempting to flee) by law born in the U.S=U.S citizen. Anyone who suggests we ought to start deporting american citizens is not someone I'd want for president....I mean who's next after the citizens born of undocumented parents are gotten rid of? Also mass deportation is not a real solution...if anything that kind of thing would likely cause more problems for everyone.


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21 Aug 2015, 12:21 pm

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I admired him a great deal also until I saw him get bullied like that. he let those activists berate his audience! that tells me when the chips are down he will succumb. I'm very disappointed in him.


Actually, it seems there is method in Bernie's madness in the way he handled the Black Lives Matter demonstrators. After letting them say their peace, he has since incorporated them into his campaign, even going to the extent of making one of their movement's speakers a payed staffer of his campaign. I see this as a great move to getting black support.

Hmmmmm..... :chin: how Machiavellian of him, I wouldn't have expected such from him. people are full of surprises.


While I still have no doubt Bernie is the most honest person reaching for the White House right now, it's obvious that he couldn't have lasted nearly as long in politics as he had without having a few tricks up his sleeve.



From what I hear he might be the only one viable to be voted for....I didn't even vote in the last two.


I see Bernie as an extremely honest man who genuinely cares for those without. That qualifies him for the White House, in my book.


Well since viewing this thread I have looked him up and heard more about him. So far so good I like what he says about the issues on his campaign page or whatever. Also from what I understand he wants to end for profit prisons, and actually address issues in the legal system like mandatory minimum sentences. I also don't get the impression he is going to try and turn back any marijuana legalization/decriminalization though apparently he hasn't made any exact statements about what he'd do with marijuana policy so I will be interested to see what he has to say on that. It does seem like he really does care for the wellbeing of the citizens and wants to actually start rebuilding the infrastructure from the bottom.....rather than continuing that BS trickle down economics idea. I guess for this some people see him as a 'socialist' well if that is what one sees as a socialist, what is it that is so bad about socialism? lol


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21 Aug 2015, 12:42 pm

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Aspie202 wrote:
I think trump can do the job. He has a good point about illegal immigrants, but he doesn't have to build a wall. So I am both on his side and not.


Yeah last thing we need is a big ugly wall...........as for his good point what that all children born of undocumented 'mexicans' should be deported to a country they have never been to? I thought being born in the U.S makes you a citizen...regardless of how much people hate illegal immigrants(though I imagine most people don't actually do much looking into what drives illegal immigration or what conditions some of these people are attempting to flee) by law born in the U.S=U.S citizen. Anyone who suggests we ought to start deporting american citizens is not someone I'd want for president....I mean who's next after the citizens born of undocumented parents are gotten rid of? Also mass deportation is not a real solution...if anything that kind of thing would likely cause more problems for everyone.


That's he thing - it's popular for Republican Presidential candidates now to rant and rave about ending birth right citizenship. They argue that the purpose of that was to enfranchise freed blacks after the Civil War, but that there is no longer any reason for it today. It started with Trump, who, being the demagogue he is, knows how to play up to people's basest prejudices (think only of the Obama birth certificate bullsh*t), and most of the rest of the Republican White House hopefuls followed suit like lemmings, hoping to get a rise in poll numbers. Essentially, these people could care less about the law; not when they're motivated by the fear of the "browning of America."


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