Would you date a feminist?

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"Lol, so did Gillard try to say she was being oppressed while she was being the Prime Minister? Did she try to say Labor had it in for her while they were letting her be the head of Labor?"

Well, turns out I misremembered it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeGeooZOUdE

She calls out Tony Abbott for his sexism, but I'm not sure if she complains about personally being oppressed, when, even if Abbott is a sexist, he never directly 'oppresses' the most powerful woman in the country. I don't have the time this morning to watch a 15 minute speech...

"I know some women may get judged solely for being women but we can't use that as a reason to say no women can be disliked for her character. Remember that Martin Luther King said we should judge people by their character, not that we should never judge people at all. With 11,000,000 women in the country it's statistically improbable that none of them are dislikable.

Remember that while Gillard was Prime Minister our Governor General was also a woman. That meant the four most powerful position in the country were held by women at the same time, richest person, Prime Minister, Governor General and head of state. At present half of those positions are still held by women. How can they still say women are powerless in society when Gina Rinehart has a lot of power?

True not all women are as wealthy as her but I think the number one reason people have more or less power or more or less money is wealth. Instead of saying women are oppressed it would be more accurate to say poor people are oppressed. True that some people are self-made millionaires but Gina Rinehart inherited a fortune."

Exactly.

"What bothers me most is the middle class, not that they have more money than me but that they think all people get an equal start in life. They act like middle class kids and poor kids will do equally well in school and have equal chances of getting into university and getting professional jobs. They act like it's not harder for poor kids."

Yeah, this is the biggest issue with Australia's middle class, simply that they expect too much of the poor.

"I actually support affirmative action. While I think it would be a misuse to use affirmative action on middle class women there are some groups who do worse in school and therefore have less chance of getting a good job. Affirmative action could be used to help ethnic minorities and other disenfranchised groups (except Asians because they're statistically more successful than other people, they certainly earned it, I continue to be awed by their tireless work ethic and their stoic willpower)."

I do as well, but I simply meant we shouldn't just shove a bunch of unqualified women, black people, gay people and immigrants into government BECAUSE DIVERSITY.

We should give the disadvantaged the opportunity to catch-up to the middle class, and equal opportunity to learn the skills necessary to be involved in government/anything else.

Kind of like how in the U.S., some Feminist's push for more women in STEM cell research fields, even if not many women may actually be interested in it.

Affirmitive action definitely should be more used towards Australia's lower classes, the disabled, disadvantaged ethnic groups, etc. We have Indigenous living in remote communities with no opportunity and the Liberal government threatening to remove them and displace them making it even harder for them to learn the skills and education necessary to contribute to society.

"Because they're so privileged they don't notice they're privileged. The ultimate luxury is not knowing other people are worse off than you."

So, do you actually agree Australia seems to have this sort of dominant third-wave Feminism mindset held by many of our women?

That's the sad part. What the American's here seem to describe as 'extremist Feminist' actually appear to be 'normal' Feminist's here.

if you and i had the same job, chances are that you'd be paid more.

I have a female coworker who gets paid a dollar more than I do and has the same position.

there are exceptions to everything, but that's not usual.

Ill have to keep checking my priviledge, although I am autistic and not NT, I have qualified for SSI but reject it and want to earn my keep the hard way like everyone else, but am more privileged than an NT female. I was due for a promotion but rejected the promotion to allow a female who has worked at my job less to get a promotion, did i do the right thing? My managers were baffled and find me as one of their hardest workers in the cafe.

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Women get paid less, because they take positions that pay less, they generally work less and they take more time off to spend with family. If you want women to get paid more, more women need to go into fields such as engineering and not social science related fields.

From previous jobs what I have observed with female coworkers working the same position and the same amount of hours they get paid exactly the same, i have compred check stubs the hourly rate is exactly the same, the minimum wage in my area before I got my job at google is 10>30 an hour it is illegal to pay an employee below the minimum wage regardless of sex so a male makes 10.30 an hour the female does as well.

Exactly and if employers could pay women less, they would never hire men.

that was very kind and generous of you, aspie otaku.

I rather think feminism is an upper-middle class white thing. African, Asian and Latin don't seem to care much about it.

Look at how little thought is given to Ayan Hirsi Ali.

i read ali's book "infidel" and think the world of her work to improve the plight of muslim women.

Thanks although my peers tell me I am a moron for making that move and worked hard and I tossed asside an opportunity to move up, to me it only money and besides when the next opportunity arises maybe ill take it, maybe anyway I just like working hard and being promoed means more responsibilities. I am a male and not worthy of anything good.

I still qualify for a raise and I still that raise but they give me a raise anyway? WTF ? How do I get HR to not give me a raise? I am male I don't deserve one even though I work myself to exhaustion and put in 150% effort at all times, I am a man and should work myself to death at as little pay possible! I have skipped my breaks and worked during lunch off the clock to get things done but did not tell them i am working unpaid because if i did i would get in trouble, the 15 years doing work and past jobs I never took a vacation and I qualify for one with this company I refuse to take it! Maybe I should give my vacation hours o a woman and keep working til I die an early grave! It is the best thing I could do for the feminist agenda!My doctor tells me I need some rest and my blood pressure is high and need to avoid stress but to hell with the doctors Im gonna keep pushing hard till I am dead.

i don't know anyone who wants men to make less. we want women to make more.

congratulations on your raise.

Many women of these mentioned parts of the world, including the mid-east, are so rigid in their views on gender roles and what a man is supposed to do/have; and patriarchy for them is the total norm.
If you try to act feminist with them in dating, they will brush you off.

Even in modern egalitarian society, men are often seen as providers and protectors. Unless this changes, there won't be equal pay. And I don't see any willingness to change this from most women or men.