22 Mar 2016, 2:36 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
But do you disagree with those positions, maybe even find them abhorrent?
Even if I do, I don't find simply condemning them to be terribly productive, nor persuasive; I'm much more interested in why someone might think something I disagree with than judging them for it. In fact, I find that judgment is often counter-productive, Trump being a perfect example of resentment from constant judgment boiling over.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Despite your claims that you're not a conservative, more and more you seem to be buddying up to them. And that's not a put down, it's just an observation.
It's not a "claim", I'm not a conservative, I'm liberal on practically every issue but guns and taxes, I just can't take the smugness and superiority that seems to accompany liberalism these days, as if the conservatives are all deluded rubes but they know better, they're liberals after all.
It's a bit much to take.Also, if you notice, I tend to defend unpopular views, or at least people's right to hold them; you're not the only one who likes an underdog.
22 Mar 2016, 2:41 am
Raptor wrote:
Could it be that not everyone has a compulsion to parade thier beliefs and values at every opportunity ad nauseam?
There is definitely an element of social signaling to it, though not as badly as among the social justice crowd. I'm hardly immune, I relish my status as something apart from the partisans, but at least I'm aware of it.
22 Mar 2016, 4:04 am
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22 Mar 2016, 5:09 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Ever think of criticizing their homophobia, their coded racism, their Islamaphobia, their social Darwinism?
What would be the point? I don't feel like I need to prove anything to anyone, and 3/4 of this forum is already criticizing those people for those things, and I don't like making 'me too' posts.
But do you disagree with those positions, maybe even find them abhorrent? Despite your claims that you're not a conservative, more and more you seem to be buddying up to them. And that's not a put down, it's just an observation.
Could it be that not everyone has a compulsion to parade thier beliefs and values at every opportunity ad nauseam?
Not everyone has a need to parade their views on firearms publicly, either.
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22 Mar 2016, 5:20 am
Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
But do you disagree with those positions, maybe even find them abhorrent?
Even if I do, I don't find simply condemning them to be terribly productive, nor persuasive; I'm much more interested in why someone might think something I disagree with than judging them for it. In fact, I find that judgment is often counter-productive, Trump being a perfect example of resentment from constant judgment boiling over.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Despite your claims that you're not a conservative, more and more you seem to be buddying up to them. And that's not a put down, it's just an observation.
It's not a "claim", I'm not a conservative, I'm liberal on practically every issue but guns and taxes, I just can't take the smugness and superiority that seems to accompany liberalism these days, as if the conservatives are all deluded rubes but they know better, they're liberals after all.
It's a bit much to take.Also, if you notice, I tend to defend unpopular views, or at least people's right to hold them; you're not the only one who likes an underdog.
Well, I am sincerely overjoyed that you sympathize with the underdog. Thing is, though, when changes that help the underdog can only be accomplished through government action, then that invariably includes taxes for this or that program.
As for conservatives being deluded rubes - well, if they deny evolution to the point of hindering it's teaching in public schools, or who insist racism no longer exists all the while supporting discriminatory voter fraud laws, or who think people on disability are con artists taking tax payers for a ride, just to name a few examples, then I'm afraid I could think of some other descriptive names that would be tame compared to "delusional rubes."
22 Mar 2016, 8:55 am
Dox47 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Could it be that not everyone has a compulsion to parade thier beliefs and values at every opportunity ad nauseam?
There is definitely an element of social signaling to it, though not as badly as among the social justice crowd. I'm hardly immune, I relish my status as something apart from the partisans, but at least I'm aware of it.
I myself try not to encourage this sort of behaviour. People shouldn't be "rewarded" for thinking a certain way and trying hard to prove it. That's the mentality of a hive mind and the path towards groupthink.
22 Mar 2016, 9:07 am
22 Mar 2016, 9:10 am
22 Mar 2016, 11:35 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Ever think of criticizing their homophobia, their coded racism, their Islamaphobia, their social Darwinism?
What would be the point? I don't feel like I need to prove anything to anyone, and 3/4 of this forum is already criticizing those people for those things, and I don't like making 'me too' posts.
But do you disagree with those positions, maybe even find them abhorrent? Despite your claims that you're not a conservative, more and more you seem to be buddying up to them. And that's not a put down, it's just an observation.
Could it be that not everyone has a compulsion to parade thier beliefs and values at every opportunity ad nauseam?
Not everyone has a need to parade their views on firearms publicly, either.
Want me to go back and see how many instances I can find where you were the first in a thread to bring up your favorite topics of gays, blacks, and poor people as if we ALL weren't already aware of your concern for them? I usually only "parade" my views on firearms legislation in an existing thread on the subject or when the subject has been shifted in that direction by others. I don't need to continually re-assure myself on that subject by reminding everyone else.
