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Which Religion Should Be The National Religion?
Animism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Atheism 24%  24%  [ 8 ]
Buddhism 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Christianity 15%  15%  [ 5 ]
Confucianism 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Druidism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Gnosticism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Hinduism 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Islam 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Jainism 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Judaism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Mormonism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Paganism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Scientology 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Shamanism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Shintoism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Sikhism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Taoism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Zoroastrianism 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Other: ________________ (Please elaborate). 38%  38%  [ 13 ]
Total votes : 34

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If Christianity (meaning the Catholic church) was the state religion, people would be allowed to practice their religion freely. There were few exceptions such as extremist cults in the Middle Ages that were similar to radical Islamic groups today that weren't tolerated but most people can understand why allowing a group to preach the equivalent of "Death to America!" and "Kill the infidels wherever you find them" is a threat to a civilized society.

So the Hussite Wars and the Thirty Years War (more than 8 million dead in the latter) never took place, then? After all, in both cases the war was about the state *enforcing* Catholicism upon its populace.

(and those two are just samples from The European Wars of Religion - several centuries of Christian bloodshed in Europe)


I didn't see any evidence that the Catholic church ever killed anyone or started a war with anyone. Those wars were started by kings of the countries they ruled, not by the Catholic church. Your own link from the pagan encyclopedia you quoted says Protestant states started the war and the war mostly wasn't about religion. The Catholic church is in charge of nourishing people's souls and doesn't kill anyone or start wars with anyone.

The Hussites didn't just practice their religion. They went around deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines. If they had been honest and said they were starting a new religion to compete with Christianity instead of slandering Christ and didn't try to destroy public order I don't think they would have had any problems. Slander may not seem like a big deal in cultures that don't value honesty but it's a big deal for those who love the truth and understand the harm it can cause. Given the Christian teaching that the wicked who live in disobedience of God's law go to Hell for eternity, it's extremely immoral to twist what God has revealed. It's worse than being a serial killer. Murderers only kill people's bodies but false preachers and other slanderers of God's word help send souls to Hell. If murderers are executed, then what should happen to those who commit crimes that are worse than murder?


That's nice dear. Hey, what do you think about the Catholic Church covering up the crimes of catholic priests who were molesting young children?


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11 Sep 2020, 9:01 pm

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... what do you think about the Catholic Church covering up the crimes of catholic priests who were molesting young children?
Does this seem familiar?

"They didn't sexually molest those children;
And if they did, it was consensual;
And if it wasn't, the children didn't suffer;
And if they did, it's no big deal;
And if it is, others have done worse."

:roll: ... enablers ...


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11 Sep 2020, 9:14 pm

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... what do you think about the Catholic Church covering up the crimes of catholic priests who were molesting young children?
Does this seem familiar?

"They didn't sexually molest those children;
And if they did, it was consensual;
And if it wasn't, the children didn't suffer;
And if they did, it's no big deal;
And if it is, others have done worse."

:roll: ... enablers ...


You're right, fanatics will be fanatics.


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11 Sep 2020, 9:39 pm

I call them apologists. Those who defend sexual predators. I think they are just as bad.


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12 Sep 2020, 3:09 am

emotrtkey wrote:
If Christianity (meaning the Catholic church) was the state religion, people would be allowed to practice their religion freely. There were few exceptions such as extremist cults in the Middle Ages that were similar to radical Islamic groups today that weren't tolerated but most people can understand why allowing a group to preach the equivalent of "Death to America!" and "Kill the infidels wherever you find them" is a threat to a civilized society.

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The Hussites didn't just practice their religion. They went around deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines. If they had been honest and said they were starting a new religion to compete with Christianity instead of slandering Christ and didn't try to destroy public order I don't think they would have had any problems. Slander may not seem like a big deal in cultures that don't value honesty but it's a big deal for those who love the truth and understand the harm it can cause. Given the Christian teaching that the wicked who live in disobedience of God's law go to Hell for eternity, it's extremely immoral to twist what God has revealed. It's worse than being a serial killer. Murderers only kill people's bodies but false preachers and other slanderers of God's word help send souls to Hell. If murderers are executed, then what should happen to those who commit crimes that are worse than murder?


So, in just a few hours, we went went from...

1. If Catholicism was the state religion "people would be allowed to practice their religion freely" to
2. "people who were "deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines" (=religious views you disagree with) ... should be executed?

That is perhaps the most impressive example of the of good old "I believe in freedom of religion, but" point of view I have seen for some time...



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12 Sep 2020, 8:56 am

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emotrtkey wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:

If Christianity (meaning the Catholic church) was the state religion, people would be allowed to practice their religion freely. There were few exceptions such as extremist cults in the Middle Ages that were similar to radical Islamic groups today that weren't tolerated but most people can understand why allowing a group to preach the equivalent of "Death to America!" and "Kill the infidels wherever you find them" is a threat to a civilized society.

So the Hussite Wars and the Thirty Years War (more than 8 million dead in the latter) never took place, then? After all, in both cases the war was about the state *enforcing* Catholicism upon its populace.

(and those two are just samples from The European Wars of Religion - several centuries of Christian bloodshed in Europe)


I didn't see any evidence that the Catholic church ever killed anyone or started a war with anyone. Those wars were started by kings of the countries they ruled, not by the Catholic church. Your own link from the pagan encyclopedia you quoted says Protestant states started the war and the war mostly wasn't about religion. The Catholic church is in charge of nourishing people's souls and doesn't kill anyone or start wars with anyone.

The Hussites didn't just practice their religion. They went around deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines. If they had been honest and said they were starting a new religion to compete with Christianity instead of slandering Christ and didn't try to destroy public order I don't think they would have had any problems. Slander may not seem like a big deal in cultures that don't value honesty but it's a big deal for those who love the truth and understand the harm it can cause. Given the Christian teaching that the wicked who live in disobedience of God's law go to Hell for eternity, it's extremely immoral to twist what God has revealed. It's worse than being a serial killer. Murderers only kill people's bodies but false preachers and other slanderers of God's word help send souls to Hell. If murderers are executed, then what should happen to those who commit crimes that are worse than murder?


That's nice dear. Hey, what do you think about the Catholic Church covering up the crimes of catholic priests who were molesting young children?


It's fake news spread by enemies of Christianity to slander the church. First, the Catholic Church is a holy institution that can't cover up crimes. That's because any sinful behavior is caused by people in the church, not by the church itself. Those individuals, not the church, are responsible for their own behavior. Second, any individuals engaging in or enabling immoral behavior are acting in direct opposition to Catholic teaching. It's not fair to blame God and the church He founded for the sins of people who deliberately disobey His teaching. Third, objective, unbiased evidence has revealed that 90% of the accusations against priests are false. Most of the 10% the might be true are unproven so what you're alleging happened is extremely rare and almost all of the alleged crimes were from 30, 40, or 50 years ago. Almost no one claimed to be harmed by a priest during the last 20 years. There is no safer place for children than in the Catholic Church.

I realize I'm probably wasting my time explaining this since facts and evidence don't mean much to many people in the 21st century. Too many people prefer to think with their emotions and attack everyone they don't like without a shred of evidence. The deadly sin of pride is the biggest problem today. Submitting to God's Holy Catholic church is the solution to the problems facing the world today.



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12 Sep 2020, 8:59 am

The Catholic Church can be interpreted as Holy Institution Led By Holy Spirit but you can't deny there is also a layer of earthly organization called Catholic Church - which, as any earthly organization, is prone to systematic issues.

Almost all the Catholic priests I know personally are okay. But if 99.9% are more or less okay but that 1 per 1000 who do evil things go on unpunished, we have a systematic issue.


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The Catholic Church can be interpreted as Holy Institution Led By Holy Spirit but you can't deny there is also a layer of earthly organization called Catholic Church - which, as any earthly organization, is prone to systematic issues.

Almost all the Catholic priests I know personally are okay. But if 99.9% are more or less okay but that 1 per 1000 who do evil things go on unpunished, we have a systematic issue.


What's important is the actions of priests and bishops are irrelevant when it comes to the claim of the Catholic church to be founded by God whose teaching comes from God and is preserved from error. Blaming the Catholic church and claiming it's a false church or that it's teaching is wrong because a few of its members acted in opposition to Catholic teaching is the equivalent of blaming the Bible when Protestants disobey it.

That sin exists among bishops and priests in the Catholic church is hardly a revelation. There have been sinners in the church from the beginning. I think one pope murdered several cardinals and a few others lived very immoral lifestyles. None of that is an argument against the claim of the Catholic church that its teaching comes from God.

As far as a National Religion is concerned, there is probably far less sin among leaders in the Catholic church than among school teachers and secular governments so the accusations against the Catholic church aren't a valid argument against making Christianity a state religion.



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12 Sep 2020, 9:38 am

Fnord wrote:
DeathEmperor413 wrote:
... what do you think about the Catholic Church covering up the crimes of catholic priests who were molesting young children?
Does this seem familiar?

"They didn't sexually molest those children;
And if they did, it was consensual;
And if it wasn't, the children didn't suffer;
And if they did, it's no big deal;
And if it is, others have done worse."

:roll: ... enablers ...


It does seem familiar. It reminds me of the Salem witch trials. People who thought with their emotions accused people of witchcraft and had them executed. People who used their brains to think pointed out the errors in their reasoning. They were accused by emotional thinkers of defending the witches and executed. History shows the rational thinkers were right. Those accused of being witches didn't engage in witchcraft. And if they did, no one was harmed. And if there was any harm, it wasn't a big deal because there was little or no evidence for most of the serious accusations against them.



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12 Sep 2020, 9:55 am

You know what? I'm thinking about starting my own cult someday... Must be nice to hold power over gullible morons.


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i Will Provide a Link if 'You' Like but the "Head PR" Modern
'Fulton Sheen' Bishop of the Catholic Church, Bishop Barron
in All His 'YouTube Glory' is on Record of Blaming 'The Devil'
For The Evil of
Systematic
Support
of Pedophile
Priests And Other
Leaders of the Catholic Church...

True, 'The Devil' is the Ultimate Enabler,
Even in the Church; Always The Easy
Mythic Description of the Worst of
Human Evil that Does Not Take
Direct Responsibility
For Evil
And
Actually Corrects It;
Like Catholic Priests who
are in Charge Who Suggest they
Believe in the Sanctity of Life But
Bring an Opinion of Enabling Death
Through Ignorance By Suggesting it is
Only in Terms of if You Feel Like You Need to
Wear A Mask to Church to Save the Life of Your
Brother and Or Sister that You Should Have to Do it...

The 'Trump Way of Life' Through And Through...

A Life Where Someone Else is always At Fault...

But The Ignorance;
The Worst Human
Evil, the Ignorance that
Turns A Cheek, A Blind Eye
to Evil That is the Breath Within
Still Doing the Worst Harm Now...

The 'Institution of the Church' has
Always Been at Core A Cover-up
of Mostly Dudes Rejected Finding Nothing
Else to Do in Life Acceptable But Gain Stature
By Attempting to Subjugate And Control the
Freedoms of Others...

It's so Transparent;
So Easy to see through
Just How Small the So-called
Men And or Woman are who Threaten
Others With Fire For The Freedoms Within
'They' are willing to Lose For Ignorance

Of 'the Small'
Man and or
Woman
With
No Real Treasure
Within Love To Give and Share Free...

For What Are 'Golden Robes' But 'Bubble
Gum Wrappers' out of the 'Same Trump Machine'...

For Some of us; it's so easy to See through and
Makes Excellent Muse for the Same Stories About

the Villain's
DarK Truth
False in LiGHT...


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12 Sep 2020, 12:00 pm

GGPViper wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
If Christianity (meaning the Catholic church) was the state religion, people would be allowed to practice their religion freely. There were few exceptions such as extremist cults in the Middle Ages that were similar to radical Islamic groups today that weren't tolerated but most people can understand why allowing a group to preach the equivalent of "Death to America!" and "Kill the infidels wherever you find them" is a threat to a civilized society.

emotrtkey wrote:
The Hussites didn't just practice their religion. They went around deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines. If they had been honest and said they were starting a new religion to compete with Christianity instead of slandering Christ and didn't try to destroy public order I don't think they would have had any problems. Slander may not seem like a big deal in cultures that don't value honesty but it's a big deal for those who love the truth and understand the harm it can cause. Given the Christian teaching that the wicked who live in disobedience of God's law go to Hell for eternity, it's extremely immoral to twist what God has revealed. It's worse than being a serial killer. Murderers only kill people's bodies but false preachers and other slanderers of God's word help send souls to Hell. If murderers are executed, then what should happen to those who commit crimes that are worse than murder?


So, in just a few hours, we went went from...

1. If Catholicism was the state religion "people would be allowed to practice their religion freely" to
2. "people who were "deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines" (=religious views you disagree with) ... should be executed?


Do you have a problem with slander? For example, do you think it should be legal for me to go on TV and falsely claim you raped me and tried to kill me? If not, slandering a religion harms everyone who follows that religion so the harm is much greater. I think it would also be wrong to deceive people about Islam.

I couldn't care less if anyone disagrees with my religious views. I don't think that should be a crime at all.


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That is perhaps the most impressive example of the of good old "I believe in freedom of religion, but" point of view I have seen for some time...


Do you believe in freedom of religion? Do you think Christians should be allowed to decline baking a cake to celebrate an immoral lifestyle? Would you be opposed to a $100,000 fine for not catering to their lifestyle if they claimed the Christian who wouldn't bake them a cake hurt their feelings?

Do you think it should be legal for people to sacrifice their children to idols if that's what their religion teaches? Should followers of radical "Islamic" sects be allowed to kill Jews if their sect tells them they should?



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12 Sep 2020, 12:03 pm

GGPViper wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
If Christianity (meaning the Catholic church) was the state religion, people would be allowed to practice their religion freely. There were few exceptions such as extremist cults in the Middle Ages that were similar to radical Islamic groups today that weren't tolerated but most people can understand why allowing a group to preach the equivalent of "Death to America!" and "Kill the infidels wherever you find them" is a threat to a civilized society.
emotrtkey wrote:
The Hussites didn't just practice their religion. They went around deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines. If they had been honest and said they were starting a new religion to compete with Christianity instead of slandering Christ and didn't try to destroy public order I don't think they would have had any problems. Slander may not seem like a big deal in cultures that don't value honesty but it's a big deal for those who love the truth and understand the harm it can cause. Given the Christian teaching that the wicked who live in disobedience of God's law go to Hell for eternity, it's extremely immoral to twist what God has revealed. It's worse than being a serial killer. Murderers only kill people's bodies but false preachers and other slanderers of God's word help send souls to Hell. If murderers are executed, then what should happen to those who commit crimes that are worse than murder?
So, in just a few hours, we went went from...

1. If Catholicism was the state religion "people would be allowed to practice their religion freely", to

2. ... "people who were "deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines" (=religious views you disagree with) ... should be executed?

That is perhaps the most impressive example of the of good old "I believe in freedom of religion, but" point of view I have seen for some time...
Tell me if this seems familiar to you...
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It's fake news spread by enemies of this administration to slander the president.  First, the president is above the law and hasn't committed any crimes to cover up.  That's because any crimes are caused by the enemies this great nation, not by the president.  Those individuals, not the president, are responsible for their own behavior.  Second, any individuals engaging in or enabling immoral behavior are acting in direct opposition to Constitution.  It's not fair to blame Trump and his administration for the crimes of people who deliberately disobey his orders.  Third, objective, unbiased evidence has revealed that 90% of the accusations against Trump are false.  Most of the 10% the might be true are unproven so what you're alleging happened is extremely rare and almost all of the alleged crimes were from previous administrations.  Almost no one claimed to be harmed by Trump during the last 20 years. There is no safer place for children than under the current administration.
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12 Sep 2020, 12:23 pm

emotrtkey wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
If Christianity (meaning the Catholic church) was the state religion, people would be allowed to practice their religion freely. There were few exceptions such as extremist cults in the Middle Ages that were similar to radical Islamic groups today that weren't tolerated but most people can understand why allowing a group to preach the equivalent of "Death to America!" and "Kill the infidels wherever you find them" is a threat to a civilized society.

emotrtkey wrote:
The Hussites didn't just practice their religion. They went around deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines. If they had been honest and said they were starting a new religion to compete with Christianity instead of slandering Christ and didn't try to destroy public order I don't think they would have had any problems. Slander may not seem like a big deal in cultures that don't value honesty but it's a big deal for those who love the truth and understand the harm it can cause. Given the Christian teaching that the wicked who live in disobedience of God's law go to Hell for eternity, it's extremely immoral to twist what God has revealed. It's worse than being a serial killer. Murderers only kill people's bodies but false preachers and other slanderers of God's word help send souls to Hell. If murderers are executed, then what should happen to those who commit crimes that are worse than murder?


So, in just a few hours, we went went from...

1. If Catholicism was the state religion "people would be allowed to practice their religion freely" to
2. "people who were "deceiving people about Christianity, claiming the perverse and twisted doctrines they invented were the teaching of Christ and tried to corrupt society with their wicked doctrines" (=religious views you disagree with) ... should be executed?


Do you have a problem with slander? For example, do you think it should be legal for me to go on TV and falsely claim you raped me and tried to kill me? If not, slandering a religion harms everyone who follows that religion so the harm is much greater. I think it would also be wrong to deceive people about Islam.

I couldn't care less if anyone disagrees with my religious views. I don't think that should be a crime at all.


GGPViper wrote:
That is perhaps the most impressive example of the of good old "I believe in freedom of religion, but" point of view I have seen for some time...


Do you believe in freedom of religion? Do you think Christians should be allowed to decline baking a cake to celebrate an immoral lifestyle? Would you be opposed to a $100,000 fine for not catering to their lifestyle if they claimed the Christian who wouldn't bake them a cake hurt their feelings?

Do you think it should be legal for people to sacrifice their children to idols if that's what their religion teaches? Should followers of radical "Islamic" sects be allowed to kill Jews if their sect tells them they should?


Just a Quick Note:

If one is Moral, Pertaining to Essence of Love;
The Essence of Love Is Not Immoral;
Doth Do Protest the Flesh too much;
And Not Celebrate the Love Beyond the Body Parts Enough...

Forest Thick
Love
Face
Palms
Indeed Inhabit 'The Church'...

On the Other Hands And Feet'
And Penises or Vaginas; or Whatever;
Love Breathes And is Real No Matter
What Body Parts Touch What, Mutually
Consensually And

Legally of Course

According to Love

Love Bleeds too
For the Right to continue to Breathe;
And Guess What; Love is Breathing Whether
The So-Called Church Gets Out oF its Dirty Diapers Away from Love Or Not...

Fortunately, We Do Have A Greatest Religion of God Nature Already The
Right to Life; The Right to Liberty; And the Right to Pursue Happiness in What comes

Next...

Come What May...

A Greater Union of Love
Decided by 'We the People'
And Not Weak Men And or Women
Wearing 'Golden Robes' of Smaller Love Soul...

A Brick And
Mortar
Church
Empty of
Even Frigging
Common Sense
And Feelings of Empathy
For Their Fellow Humans
Who Are Created All Naturally Differently too...

Fortunately, the Face Palm Love Forest of 'the

Church' is Thinning

Out Now....

For IT
IS EXPOSED
Revealed in the
'Likeness' of 'Trump'....


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12 Sep 2020, 12:30 pm

emotrtkey wrote:

Do you believe in freedom of religion? Do you think Christians should be allowed to decline baking a cake to celebrate an immoral lifestyle? Would you be opposed to a $100,000 fine for not catering to their lifestyle if they claimed the Christian who wouldn't bake them a cake hurt their feelings?

Do you think it should be legal for people to sacrifice their children to idols if that's what their religion teaches? Should followers of radical "Islamic" sects be allowed to kill Jews if their sect tells them they should?

If I owned a business,which I did about 8 years ago,I would serve gays,no problem there at all.

I agree though that a private business in a free society with freedom of religion has the right to curtail customer's if a said customer is in serious conflict with there sincere held religious belief's.


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I couldn't care less if anyone disagrees with my religious views. I don't think that should be a crime at all.

OK, now I am confused... So the Hussites - who disagreed with the religious views of the Catholic Church (and you, I presume) - are OK after all?