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Both parties were commandeered by the billionare class years ago. That's why it's laughable to hear anyone suggest we have a two-party system. There is no pushback against neoliberalism, hasn't been for several decades. If you paid any real attention to what goes on in Congress, you'd know that.

If you think that both parties are the same in the present moment then you haven’t been paying attention the last ~4 years.

Is being owned by corporate interests ideal? No. But is it better than giving trump the green light to slip America into a fascist dictatorship and some serious nazi s**t? Hell yes.

Your beef with corporate dems is no justification to give trump another split second in office to advance any of his hateful agenda. IMO.

The corporations are heavily invested on both sides of the political divide -- no matter who wins this election, the corporations reap the profits.

Oh. I've been paying very close attention. I gave you some pretty hard-hitting facts that you conviently chose to ignore. If it doesn't suit the poltical rhetoric you are married to, you don't want to hear it.

Question: If the Dems are better, why have they given Trump everything he's wanted? Stupid stunts like Nancy Pelosi tearing up Trump's SOTU address is nothing more than poltical performance theater. They don't care anymore about the people struggling in this country than Trump does.

The Democrats (with the help of John McCain) stopped Trump from repealing Obamacare.

During the early stages of the coronavirus crisis, Pelosi forced Trump to expand testing, unemployment benefits, and food aid.

The Democrats impeached Trump.

So I think it’s fair to say there’s a big difference between congressional Democrats and Trump.

More to the point, there’s a huge difference between President Trump and President Obama. And there’s an even bigger difference between Candidate Trump and Candidate Biden. These differences are plain as day. Biden’s proposals, while pretty bad on trade, amount to a huge attack on poverty, including expanding the EITC, introducing child benefits, and providing housing assistance to all who are eligible for it. That’s a huge difference to anything Trump has to offer. I would respectfully suggest that anybody who cannot tell the difference take some time to actually read the candidates’ stated policies, as well as the achievements of their party’s past presidents and legislators.

Oh, yippee! They helped save a Republican healthcare plan, that has left 30 to 40 million Americans without health insurance. The cost is going through the roof, as the insurers keep jacking up the price. Gosh, I wonder why the Dems didn't give us single payer when polls showed a vast majority of Americans were in favor of it. (The Dems had a super majority in Congress, at the time, so they didn't need a single Republican vote.)

The Covid response was poor, in the beginning, by both Trump and the Dems. Not a terribly good example.

Impeachment? Ha! That was a s**t show that only empowered Trump and kept the focus on actual policies and legislation, for instance the Dems approving funding for Trumps border wall, fast-tracking Trump's Supreme Court justices, and passing Trump's massive budget to increase an already over bloated military!

If you're getting your information from campaign websites, you are way too naive to in this discussion.

Gosh!

Woah there.

Which party straight up doesn't post Nazi symbols on Facebook?

Many years ago, I worked for manager at both Domino’s and Pizza Hut that did 2 tours in Viet Nam, first time in communications, second time in intelligence. The one item that bothered him post-‘Nam was how nonchalant the American public are about their God-given rights. He is of the opinion that once a grifter like Trump takes office, it’s too late, since our rights have already been usurped.

I’m finding he is (was) absolutely right. (I haven’t seen him in almost a decade, although I heard he had a massive stroke a few years ago).

We, the people, in our stupidity, voluntarily usurped out rights.

Let the suffering and the destruction of this country be completed, since we, the people, were too stupid to see it coming.

I couldn't care less.

Of course both parties are puppets dancing on the strings of their corporate donors. Even so, despite themselves, their nominal ideologies do sometimes actually manage to influence policy. And when that happens, I'll take a democrat over a republican any day. So many centrists or libertarians who like to imagine themselves as being somehow 'above' partisan politics love to compare picking between candidates being like picking which turd seems tastiest. What they ignore is that, for those of us who cannot afford to act like we are above partisan politics, because for many of us elections are potentially a matter of life and death. Of course they're both turds. You're going to become violently ill if you eat either turd. But one of them is more likely to actually get people killed.
Furthermore, one party's base is much more anti-corporate than the other. Even many centrist capitalist democrats acknowledge that campaign finance and money in politics is a serious problem. They may have to drag their establishment politicians kicking and screaming--but they are much more interested in subverting money's hold on politics. The vast majority of republicans, however, seem to still buy into the nonsense that "corporations are people" and "money is speech"--and then they wonder why politicians don't seem to care much what those of us without money think.

Shouting "both parties!" then doing nothing is not going to solve anything. It encourages cynicism and defeatism. It encourages inaction and upholding the status quo--music to the ears of the political establishment.

Sooo, you’re pro Neo-Neo-Nazism aka trumpism?

Isn’t THIS enough to make anyone vote Biden just to get rid of this wannabe dictator?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... e-n1240896

Frankly, neither candidate are worth supporting.

Besides, you’re Canadian. Worry about the idiots in Ottowa, instead of the idiots in Washington.

Just as soon as the idiots in Washington stop affecting Canada, Canadians, and ~everyone else on Earth. The USA influences pretty much the entire world, so Many people in Most places care who runs the USA and how they govern.

Only one candidate is openly working to destroy American democracy, that by itself makes it worthwhile to support the only candidate with any significant potential to beat him, even if that guy is a flawed candidate. But hey, it might be the last one Trump and the fascists who support him allow, so who am I to tell you to vote for having another election in four years (and the guy who isn't opposed to that) instead of voting for a third party that won't be able to ensure that.

Additionally…

The idiots in Washington dragged the Western world into the Iraq War in 2003 - largely based on false intel. We are still dealing with the fallout from that decision.

The idiots in Washington turned their back on the entire planet by leaving the Paris Accords.

The idiots in Washington are trying to start World War 3 due to the ongoing trade war with China. Oh, and the idiots in Washington also started a trade war with Europe...

Ironically, because of the domestic constraints in the US political system (all those checks & balances), the idiots in Washington often have more influence on other countries than on the US itself due to fewer constraints in foreign policy issues.

… And who holds the idiots in Washington accountable for the mayhem they cause in other countries? No one.

You walked right into that one. When you size up the fact that Biden voted for the Iraq War, and every other f*****g war we've been involved in since, it puts things into perspective, does it? You, and so many others on this website, seem to want to ignore the massive death toll surrounding these wars for profit. I find it utterly....deplorable!