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22 Dec 2020, 12:41 am

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Well where is the line drawn when it comes to someone being politically incorrect and they don't mean to be offensive, compared to when they do mean to be offensive?

For example, one time at work, a female co-worker told me that I seem like they kind of guy who would bang a woman so hard, she probably wouldn't walk right for week. She told me this at a work Christmas party, so there was alcohol involved more so, but was what she said crossing too much of a line, or is it a compliment, nothing more, even if politically incorrect?


I would say that it probably would crossing a line, unless such language was regular. The safe bet is that it would be that it would be perceived much more dangerously if genders were reversed. Although, if it is an irregular comment and not usual, rather than do something like go to HR it would be up to the individual, you, to tell her if it made you feel uncomfortable.

There are still rather odd double standards in society where guys are expected to like certain aggressive language. Just an aspect of toxic masculinity.


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22 Dec 2020, 12:45 am

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Nappy can mean "having tightly curled hair", like that of Black person of African descent.

And "hoe" can be slang for "whore".


Ho isn't slang for whore. It's just whore pronounced with an AAVE accent. Non-rhotic accents drop rs so a word like whore comes out closer to hau or hoe.

Anne Soukhanov, U.S. editor of the Encarta Webster’s Dictionary disagrees with you.
As does Oxford dictionary
I have seen it spelled "hoe" also


I'm sure the Oxford Dictionary is intimately familiar every dialect of vernacular English spoken in America. :wink:

Treating it as a distinct word when it's a dialectical variation shows that they don't quite get it. It's like saying that buttah and budder are separate words from butter even though they refer to the same thing and the former examples are just how some dialects of English pronounce it.

Whore is still whore in non rhotic dialects. And even it originally were a local dialect variant it's now universal global slang. In fact I am amazed that League Girl isnt aware that every male rapper HAS to be flimed for MTV in his crib in his hot tub surrounded by "b*****s and hos". How she is lucky enough to escape hearing about "b*****s and hos" in pop music I dont know. But she is lucky.


Well where is the line drawn when it comes to someone being politically incorrect and they don't mean to be offensive, compared to when they do mean to be offensive?

For example, one time at work, a female co-worker told me that I seem like they kind of guy who would bang a woman so hard, she probably wouldn't walk right for week. She told me this at a work Christmas party, so there was alcohol involved more so, but was what she said crossing too much of a line, or is it a compliment, nothing more, even if politically incorrect?



That could have fallen under sexual harassment, reverse the genders. But sadly sexual harassment isn't taken seriously when it happens to a guy.


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22 Dec 2020, 1:04 am

ironpony wrote:
For example, one time at work, a female co-worker told me that I seem like they kind of guy who would bang a woman so hard, she probably wouldn't walk right for week. She told me this at a work Christmas party, so there was alcohol involved more so, but was what she said crossing too much of a line, or is it a compliment, nothing more, even if politically incorrect?


Usually if it's within an office party then what is said at an office party stays in the office. Her intention was to probably crack (What she thought) was a light hearted joke and you wouldn't take it seriously.

However I do think she was getting close to harassment and certainly if the tables were turned and it was a male saying this then he would find himself swiftly disciplined and possibly facing charges.



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22 Dec 2020, 1:32 am

Yeah because I took it as a joke, and didn't think anything of it. But then later on, I thought this is quite the double standard. But why are men able to take those things as jokes more, where as women might get more offended?



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22 Dec 2020, 2:11 am

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Yeah because I took it as a joke, and didn't think anything of it. But then later on, I thought this is quite the double standard. But why are men able to take those things as jokes more, where as women might get more offended?


There exists a sexual power differential between males and females. Women want equal rights but many women don't realise that they also cross the line and wouldn't want men coming up to them saying the things they say to men.



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22 Dec 2020, 2:29 am

Do women have more fear of men saying these things or are more sensitive compared to men, even if the men mean it as banter?



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22 Dec 2020, 3:15 am

Well whoring should not be a crime...like idk what is wrong with it. I wouldn't want to do it, but also seems a legit service. Like idk I see a lot of like lonely guys post on forums and sometimes I can't help thinking if they could get a prostitute it might help that. But the problem is, such things are so stigmatized in american society, or outright illegal but like I don't see what is wrong with it. Like why shouldn't prostitution be a legal service?


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22 Dec 2020, 3:28 am

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Yeah because I took it as a joke, and didn't think anything of it. But then later on, I thought this is quite the double standard. But why are men able to take those things as jokes more, where as women might get more offended?


Look up patriarchy.


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22 Dec 2020, 3:30 am

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Well whoring should not be a crime...like idk what is wrong with it. I wouldn't want to do it, but also seems a legit service. Like idk I see a lot of like lonely guys post on forums and sometimes I can't help thinking if they could get a prostitute it might help that. But the problem is, such things are so stigmatized in american society, or outright illegal but like I don't see what is wrong with it. Like why shouldn't prostitution be a legal service?



Men also call women whores just because they hate women and they referring to women having sex. But men have sex too and I never heard a name for them for those who have sex with women. But if a woman does it, she is a whore here and I am not talking about prostitution. Why is a woman w whore when she sleeps with a guy but a man is not when he sleep with a woman?


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22 Dec 2020, 3:46 am

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Well whoring should not be a crime...like idk what is wrong with it. I wouldn't want to do it, but also seems a legit service. Like idk I see a lot of like lonely guys post on forums and sometimes I can't help thinking if they could get a prostitute it might help that. But the problem is, such things are so stigmatized in american society, or outright illegal but like I don't see what is wrong with it. Like why shouldn't prostitution be a legal service?



Men also call women whores just because they hate women and they referring to women having sex. But men have sex too and I never heard a name for them for those who have sex with women. But if a woman does it, she is a whore here and I am not talking about prostitution. Why is a woman w whore when she sleeps with a guy but a man is not when he sleep with a woman?


I know that, I just think it is a little silly.......I just don't see what is wrong with people providing sex services. Like why should that be controversial people like to have sex so if someone is comfortable selling sex why shouldn't they be able to.


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22 Dec 2020, 4:15 am

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Well whoring should not be a crime...like idk what is wrong with it. I wouldn't want to do it, but also seems a legit service. Like idk I see a lot of like lonely guys post on forums and sometimes I can't help thinking if they could get a prostitute it might help that. But the problem is, such things are so stigmatized in american society, or outright illegal but like I don't see what is wrong with it. Like why shouldn't prostitution be a legal service?



Men also call women whores just because they hate women and they referring to women having sex. But men have sex too and I never heard a name for them for those who have sex with women. But if a woman does it, she is a whore here and I am not talking about prostitution. Why is a woman w whore when she sleeps with a guy but a man is not when he sleep with a woman?


Well my women friends will call men 'manwhores' when they are frustrated with men. Doesn't it all even out?



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22 Dec 2020, 4:17 am

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The only people whom I personally know, and whom I know also want to put restrictions on Free Speech, are either Christian Evangelicals, Conspiracy Theorists, Islamic Fundamentalists, Pro-Trump Republicans, Schizophrenics, Tyrannical Bosses, or some combination thereof.

The common threads among all of them seem to include: (1) More interest in being believed than in telling the truth, (2) The desire to control other people's thoughts and actions, and (3) The need to feel important.


Yes, and if you try to put it on theirs, that's "cancel culture."



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22 Dec 2020, 4:34 am

ironpony wrote:
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Well whoring should not be a crime...like idk what is wrong with it. I wouldn't want to do it, but also seems a legit service. Like idk I see a lot of like lonely guys post on forums and sometimes I can't help thinking if they could get a prostitute it might help that. But the problem is, such things are so stigmatized in american society, or outright illegal but like I don't see what is wrong with it. Like why shouldn't prostitution be a legal service?



Men also call women whores just because they hate women and they referring to women having sex. But men have sex too and I never heard a name for them for those who have sex with women. But if a woman does it, she is a whore here and I am not talking about prostitution. Why is a woman w whore when she sleeps with a guy but a man is not when he sleep with a woman?


Well my women friends will call men 'manwhores' when they are frustrated with men. Doesn't it all even out?


Perhaps, but I guess I am arguing it should not be a negative term....like why does it matter if a person is a whore? lol aren't they providing a service?


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22 Dec 2020, 4:38 am

naturalplastic wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Nappy can mean "having tightly curled hair", like that of Black person of African descent.

And "hoe" can be slang for "whore".


Ho isn't slang for whore. It's just whore pronounced with an AAVE accent. Non-rhotic accents drop rs so a word like whore comes out closer to hau or hoe.

Anne Soukhanov, U.S. editor of the Encarta Webster’s Dictionary disagrees with you.
As does Oxford dictionary
I have seen it spelled "hoe" also


I'm sure the Oxford Dictionary is intimately familiar every dialect of vernacular English spoken in America. :wink:

Treating it as a distinct word when it's a dialectical variation shows that they don't quite get it. It's like saying that buttah and budder are separate words from butter even though they refer to the same thing and the former examples are just how some dialects of English pronounce it.

Whore is still whore in non rhotic dialects. And even it originally were a local dialect variant it's now universal global slang. In fact I am amazed that League Girl isnt aware that every male rapper HAS to be flimed for MTV in his crib in his hot tub surrounded by "b*****s and hos". How she is lucky enough to escape hearing about "b*****s and hos" in pop music I dont know. But she is lucky.


Not withstanding your ignorance about hip-hop, it's still just imitating an accent.


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22 Dec 2020, 5:17 am

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If the only thing not tolerated is intolerance, I'd say you're doing pretty good - and even then, nobody says it has to be an all-or-nothing affair. It's much like the bully-bully paradox, where a bully claims that stopping them from bullying is also bullying, and therefore should also be seen as bad - but the paradox is that only the second bullying is bad, but the first bullying is ok still, so to be against bullying, you have to allow bullying...


Or if someone comes up behind you on the street and grabs you, you struggle and kick free, and eventually get free, but then the cops arrest you for assault because of the word of the original assailant, who accuses you of assault/calls you an assailant for trying to get free of assault/the assailant (thereby letting the original assailant practically get away with assault and go scot-free).



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22 Dec 2020, 5:57 am

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Do women have more fear of men saying these things or are more sensitive compared to men, even if the men mean it as banter?


If a man was to say how he thought a woman would feel after somebody f**cked her brains out it would send a message that what he was imagining himself in the same position which would be creepy and rapey.