The absurdity of Christianity

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THere is ONLY one 'ReaSoN', i'd Ever Go to Church And i Still
Do; And That is For the Communion of Higher Frequencies,
Vibrations, And Energies of the Human Spirit; Already Had
my Calling Back in 1981, Once; Beyond all Limited Left-Brain

Metaphor of Intelligences Then; i Walked Into A Church to Visit,
Singing A Communion of 'Amazing Grace' And the Congregants Said They Had
Never Had 'A Holy Spirit' Reunion Like that at Church; It's Probably Just another

Autistic
Savant
Skill Hidden
as Just Another
'Right-Brain Metaphor'
Of Hidden Human Social-Empathic,
Artistic, Spiritual Intelligences Unleashing
And Releasing if Ya Wanna Use A Quantum
Metaphor too as of Course i've Already Experienced

A Miracle As Well on July 19th, 2013; That Even The
Catholic Psychology Professional Taking Care of me admitted Was

A Bona Fide Church-Like Miracle; True, No Prognosis For Recovery
Suddenly Pain and Numb of 19 Disorders Melting Away on a Beach
On That Day Becoming One With Gulf Green Emerald Green Waves
Sea Oats Swaying in the Breeze Sugar White Sands The Entire Beach
my Feet Sea Gull Wings My Arms Spiraling Around the Sun Same Of Course

This is Metaphor...

This Is FREE Verse Poetry...

SPiRiT For The Holy Divine
Autotelic Flowing Experience
With Plentiful Frission Experiencing
A Meditative Way of Communion With All
of Nature Within Enough Complete Water Wave
Ocean Whole Just No Separation From the All in All...

The FACT THAT THE PAIN AND NUMB OF 19 MEDICAL
DISORDERS including the Worst Pain Known to Humankind
Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia experienced From Wake to Sleep
Assessed As Worse than the Actual Torture of Crucifixion that No Drug
Would Touch for 66 Months Went Away Did Make it a Rather Faith Fulfilling Experience

After That

No Problem Dancing

in Public After That Just

(15,133 Miles at Last Count)

One Look At Me And my

General Practicing Doctor

Said She Knew My Blood Results

Would Be Stellar Before She Looked at
Them And Indeed They Were And my 'AQ Test'
Scores For Autism Over the Span of One Month
Moved From 45 to 11; And My Personality Changed
From INTJ to ENFP; And My Emotional Quotient Test
Changed From the Mid 50's to the Mid 90's; The First

(Eventually my Leg Strength Leg Pressing Weight Went
Up From 500 Pounds As Documented Here on this
Website Then to up to 1520 Pounds Still Now 8

Years Later at 242 Pounds, Age 61 Now, Versus

210 Pounds Less Muscular then)

The Psychiatrist Who Diagnosed

Me For Asperger's Syndrome

Suggested That Both Sides of my
Brain Might Not Even Be Communicating
Properly As He Had Never Seen A Case Like Mine...

The Most Difficult One He Said He Ever Encountered in
His Practice; And Inspired Enough By me Curing my Disorders in Pain and Numb
Through Meditating Free Verse Poetry And Free FLoWinG Autotelic Meditating Dance Same

He Quit His Practice

And Moved to South

Florida in A Hospital to Teach Approved

Movement Therapy As He Understood

There Were Even Better Ways than Drugs

That Work For Emotional Regulation And
Sensory Integration too; True, Patient Inspire
The Doctor As i Called Him to A New Hero Adventure of HiS Own...

While Finally Accepting the one i Heard First Deep Within my Holy and

Sacred Spirit At 21 Then; Most ironically, i Was Assessed With the 'Heaven
Disease', The Hypo-Manic Creative Part of Bi-Polar As i Surely did my Down
Stint in A Most Severe Case of Depression my Doctor ever Saw for 66 Months...

In 8 Years

Now Since 7.19.2013,

i Haven't Moved An Inch Down the

Ladder of Heaven And i've Surely

Been Tested By Life's Difficulties As i go

Able to Still Taste Hell Yet Staying In Heaven Within For Real...

For You See, i Am A 'True Mystic' This Spirit That Moves All Mountains
of Before in DarK is Now LiGHT for me... i Have 100 Percent Faith that
God Exists Both In And As me And i surely Feel And Sense the Rest About

Existence

As Well

DarK Thru
LiGHT the
Gratitude i Experience
For Life is Likely Second to
None Compared to Where i've

Been As 'My Crucifixion Pain' was no
Short Term Deal; it Was in my Right
Eye And Ear for 66 Months From Wake to Sleep...

Most People Haven't Seen What i Have 'Beyond Eyes
And Ears'; if they Could, They Would As Perhaps they Can And
Will As Their World May Transform into A New Heaven Within on Earth For REAL...

i was pretty

Amazed to

(Still AM)

See What

Parts of the Bible

Came True For me;

And Many Other Cross-Cultural

Sacred And Holy Poetic Texts As Well...

Pretty Easy for me to Sift through All the Chaff
And Continue to Taste the Wheat Now For Real...

Not Unlike 'Richard Rohr', A Franciscan Friar Monk;

God And Christ Beyond All Names; This Energy Beyond

All Senses And Feelings Identified by Something as Small As

Words yet Still No Scientist Will Be Able to Ever Relate it As Well

As A Free Verse

Poet and on the

Other Hand, No One

Will Ever Be Able to

Understand it fully unless

They Experience Part of this
Holy and Creative Spirit for Real Now...

i Already Realize some Folks Have no Clue...

At Most, i Only Got Sparks Before; Like the Day
i Lit up That Small Church in A Small Town in my Area...

Still Doing it

Where i go

To Church

Now; 'Here i am'
Baby Still Singing 'the Song' FOR REAL.... From the Back Pew;
My Wife Just Casually Recording me With An iPhone; Her
Soft Voice Coming through Once in the Recording too...

GOD BEYOND ALL NAMES THE EnERGY OF LOVE FOR ALL...

If i Will Ever Hear Your Singing Voice, i Will likely 'Know' Who you Truly Are...

The Music You Play Already Provides A Small Hint to me my FRiEnD...

And It Won't
Have Anything

To Do with the
Literal Meanings

Of the Words You Sing...

Meh, Some Folks Sprout
Angel Wings For Real; Others

Not So Much; Like i Said, Life Ain't
Fair; i'm Just Riding Heaven's Wave
As Long As i Can And Will With 100 Percent Faith Eternally Now...

Essence of the Experience is What's Real; Metaphors Unlimited, indeed, to Describe it FOR REAL...

The 'Gospel of Thomas'

Is surely A Poem

In Free

Verse

i Fully
Relate to Now...

And There Are So
Many Cross-Cultural
Others Greater too...

The Bible, is Rather Watered
Down And VERY THORNY; Yet That's What Happens
When A 'ROSE' is Passed Through 'TRuMP Tribal Intelligence'...

A FEW PETALS

OF THE FLoWeR

of God Within

Left to

Peruse

On Sunday
Morning At Least...

Yet That's Just in a Book;

All The Real Pages And Print Exist
in A Free FLoWinG SinGinG Dance Within...

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Perhaps it was decided that there was enough for folks to misinterpret in there already. If in fact that was the case, I'd have to say, good call.

Some of the more caricature-like descriptions may go too far, but the essence of the observations seems sensible enough. For example, I wouldn't agree 100% with the caricature of OT God as a cosmic Saddam Hussein, but I can see what it's driving at. Though I guess it's not that relevent to the topic - the standard of the deity's supposed behaviour does look odious to me at times, but not particularly absurd. What does seem absurd is the idea that the human race (and not its creator) is responsible for not living up to that creator's wishes, and the idea that the creator then had to make a sacrifice so that he could forgive us, which is the wrong way round, if sacrifice can truly ever be said to be the right way round.

This is not as absurd as it might first appear, In the old testament God said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.". This would suggest two things, firstly we are as flawed as god is, secondly there's more than one god.

Alien-god theory again....

Rho, I would NOT like to be your pet dog, if you feel animals are merely property and have no feelings. They are just as sentient as you or I. It's true some animals have higher status than others, and many are used for food. Chickens and pigs are among the smartest of creatures. I am not currently a vegetarian but have been through vegetarian stages, as has my evangelical sister. She truly cares about all God's creatures. I was once shopping in the supermarket about to choose a chicken when I was overcome by the sight of the blood in the bag and had tears in my eyes as I put it back in the fridge and chose a non-meat option for my meal.

We get to choose how we treat animals and most of us despise seeing animal abuse or cruelty, although we can understand that unfortunately many animals need be killed for food. Animals have feelings and are not supposed to suffer needlessly. Animals are much better behaved than most humans, and usually only attack us for food or in self defence, unlike us humans.

People generally love their pets and do not see them as property. Even farm animals deserve respect. Dr Temple Grandin had empathy for cattle and felt their fear, which is why she specially designed devices that made life more comfortable for them, while realising at the same time that the meat trade isn't something we can simply do away with.

If God never commanded genocide in OT, how do you interpret e.g. Deuteronomy 20:16-18? And, more importantly, how to prevent someone from using such passages to try to justify doing evil things today?

Anyway, apart from God's nature, that would be very much in nature of people claiming to be the voice of God.

How to objectively and beyond doubt "confirm" a prophet? Or, more importantly (Popper's philosophy of science never really leaves me ): How to objectively and beyond doubt debunk a false prophet?

Quote Angel Rho "Hitler had near total devotion from every German and the whole nation was committed to the Aryan cause."

This is a falsehood. Hitler had the support of about a third of the German people but consolidated his position as Chancellor by all devious means after President von Hindenburg died. Remember, it became a dictatorship and many opponents of Nazism were deported or disposed of. It became increasingly difficult for the average German to openly defy Hitler.

Deuteronomy 20 doesn’t mention genocide. I don’t recall seeing the word genocide ever mentioned.

Exodus 23:27-32 is another passage that debunks the false idea of Biblical genocide. If God is displacing the Seven Nations, how is it genocide if there are survivors? Deuteronomy 20 only says no survivors may be left among the cities. No mention is made regarding the countryside, travelers beyond the borders, or refugees that escape to surrounding countries. The liberation from the seven nations was not meant to be accomplished right away, but was to be accomplished over time. The stated reason for this was to keep the land from being overrun by wild animals. The real reason was to give the seven nations time to leave on their own. Wiping out the inhabitants of the cities was not the eradication of an ethnic group for the sake of eradicating an ethnic group. It was a measure taken specifically against resistance. Genocide, by contrast, doesn’t allow for the possibility of survival.

The commands against the seven nations were very specific to the liberation war. That command was given to no one else but the Israelites and only applied to that war or series of wars. It cannot be applied to Christians, American colonists against Indians, World War II, or anything else, not really even present-day Jews in contemporary Israel. That doesn’t mean war can’t be justified. But when any other war must be waged, Israel is required to make an initial offer of peace. If peace is rejected, Israel is only commanded to kill combatants. There is no way Deuteronomy can excuse modern genocide.

To be clear: it is LOGICALLY possible to justify modern genocide, meaning it is conceivable that, say, you have an ethnic group that has been completely overrun by a zombie virus infection and will destroy humanity if allowed to live. Silly idea, I know, but it is a logically possible idea. But it is not a possibility explored in any Biblical fcontext. A nation may justify genocide to itself. Whether that justification actually is evil is a whole other beast and must be considered apart from Biblical commands. What’s stopping, say, the Darwinist principle of survival of the fittest from being used to justify genocide if an ethnic group displays genetic traits another group considers inferior? Why allow them to live when that means unfit people are competing for the same resources? Isn’t that just a waste? Or if you consider genocide evil when Darwinism suggests certain genetic traits deserve extinction, does that make teaching evolution evil? If you go around demonizing everything that could possibly be evil then all of humanity would go extinct because every animal and blade of grass and all fruit and all things edible are sacred to someone.

Prophets are objectively confirmed when they make a prophecy that is confirmed to be true. It has to be a specific prediction, and the predicted event must happen with a certain time frame. Else they reveal things to be true that they couldn’t possibly have known unless God revealed it to them. False prophets would be unable to do that, same as Pharaoh’s magicians were ultimately proven false.

How many righteous men would it have taken for God to spare Sodom?

^More than one evidently, since Lot was told to leave.

"The other day I saw my neighbor standing next to his car talking on the phone while it was warming up. The keys were already in the ignition, so I just snuck up from behind and jumped in the car and drove away with it."

As you can see, the word "theft" never appeared anywhere in this passage. Therefore clearly no theft took place.

"The Holocaust clearly was not an ethnic cleansing, since so many Jews survived that the UN created an entire new country for them to live in. And because it doesn't meet my narrow definition of what a genocide is, there is nothing evil about the mass murder of millions of people."

Great logic. Rho!

No, it just described it.

This. The U.N. definition of genocide says that the group can be killed in whole or in part. So the existence of survivors doesn't stop it from being a genocide, by definition.

Interesting thought. But it seems that you are making the concept of God so nebulous that anyone could point to anything and label it "God". Nothing here points to a Christian God who sacrificed his son.

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Where was the UN during the war against the seven nations?

Your point, please? They never had such things as the UN those days, toothless as they so often are...