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08 Aug 2007, 4:16 pm

My heaven would be better than your heaven, Ragtime.



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08 Aug 2007, 4:17 pm

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I honestly don't know! I assume it must be a spiritual reaction.


you could call it that...

christianity is too limited to keep my attention... least the literal aspects of it

the morals and orignial seniment (the wonder) are still good...

which is why my beliefs concur that you will get your heaven...

all 12 steps of it


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08 Aug 2007, 4:18 pm

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Well, Jesus said His message would be sharply devisive. I guess He was right. You guys proved Him right.

I'm not questioning Jesus; I'm questioning you.


And in questioning me in this particular manner, you're questioning Him. He said those who receive Christians who arrive in His name receive Him, and those who reject us reject Him. We're His representatives on Earth.

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me'" (Matt 25:40).

"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me'" (Matt 25:45).


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08 Aug 2007, 4:21 pm

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As you stated before, how do you know for a fact that women suck better than men? lol
Because being straight one can feel better when a woman does to you than a man, that's not a fact, it's a subjective view, because you are just seeing this in one single point of view, that of a straight man.


Indeed, I've rather heard the opposite.


take that seinfield show for example.... they stick with their team cause they have access to the equipment WAY more... so how can women compete in that arena :lol: :P


Because God made them to match with men, hello... It's obvious, if you just open your eyes.


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08 Aug 2007, 4:21 pm

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The world has always tried to silence Christians, through as extreme means as were available to them at the time.

Aww. You poor Christians. :(


Aw, you poor homosexuals. :(


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08 Aug 2007, 4:23 pm

don't patronise us :roll:



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08 Aug 2007, 4:23 pm

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what about what the christians did to the pagans, muslems and anyone else who refused to be with them :roll:


What, love them and send them in peace? All true Christians do such, as is commanded in their Bible. That's what most shows the Catholic Church to be a fake Christian institution, not to mention 1,000+ other Bible references they throw out, and others which they add in. It's just a power-and-money scam, and has been since it ruled side-by-side with the Roman government, and forced its citizens to convert. Which is very non-Biblical to do!


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08 Aug 2007, 4:23 pm

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The world has always tried to silence Christians, through as extreme means as were available to them at the time.

Aww. You poor Christians. :(


Aw, you poor homosexuals. :(

I bet most gay people get more s**t for being gay than you've ever had for being a Christian.



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08 Aug 2007, 4:24 pm

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Well, Jesus said His message would be sharply devisive. I guess He was right. You guys proved Him right.


you should study law...

ppl are very good at covering their asses and accounting for loopholes

would there have been any other logical way of keeping people from "straying"?

that statement merely covers bases by giving the appearance of an all knowing state


you know... back to your kid analogy.....

kids are way easier to dupe into believing whatever you tell them... to mold them to your whim

and i've asked before... how can you know the whim of god is inherently good? all you have is his own word that he is good.

evidence for/against is subjective at best


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08 Aug 2007, 4:25 pm

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And I doubt gay guys have sex if the only thing they derive from that is pain.


Lust does crazy things. Ever heard the phrase, "It's hurts so good"? I'm just reporting my observations. I also read that gay men have permanently streched and loosened sphincters -- that can't be good, can it? The sphincter is there for control of your crap. 8O Do they need to wear butt plugs to keep from soiling themselves in public? How else would they hold it in once that muscle is gone?

That is the same with women, isn't it?
So straight couples shouldn't have anal sex either?


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08 Aug 2007, 4:31 pm

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What you're all trying to do, with all these questions upon recalibrated questions upon still more recalibrated questions, is find out where I end and my religion begins.

The problem with the assumptions behind that approach is that any true Christian will be joined to his religion seemlessly. That's what's so frustrating for you all. I'm being as civil as I can be while refusing to change my religion. And it drives you bonkers.


nope just that you have thi facade of "logic" to support your beliefs

if you're frank about your beliefs in the verbatum translation and acknoewlde that you have no tru logic (deducible within our system)...

then there's nothing more to argue about...


but that you try to use logic to support your believes (and dont do so in a linear or coherent, even, fashion) shows your weakness and inconsistancy

and i poo poo on your attitutde also for openly admitting you ignore valid points ect cause "you're above them" and they're "trivial"

you can pick and choose logic any more than you can pick and choose bits of your faith


"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you" (Matt 5:10-12).


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08 Aug 2007, 4:31 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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well what do you say
its wrong to be gay?
I wont get into heaven because of it
I have to fallow God to be saved?
what is it
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he's gonna say no... it's wrong for you to have sex with men... though it's still ~~ same



why deny who you are even if you "dont" sin?

cause god says so... it's an illogical impass...


Sin is not "who you are". Don't make sin sound like an identity, so that you can excuse it away; I know of that tactic. God deliberately made everyone different, so that "who you are" would be something unique and special. But sin is evil, and not part of that created uniqueness. It's nothing but baggage, or as John Bunyon wrote in his famous "Pilgrim's Progess", one of my most cherished books, sin is "this heavy burden". In his novel, sin was a literal giant sack this guy named "Christian" had to carry on his back through his entire life. England locked up John Bunyon simply for preaching -- just as the Apostle Paul was. The world has always tried to silence Christians, through as extreme means as were available to them at the time. Even the Catholic Church tried to silence them, through threats, torture, and painful executions.


you're missing the fine point that i dont consider homosexuality as a sin... but part of people's personality

you said your homo. attraction was forced... would be same other way around

it's not something you can overlook... nor is it a sin to be either way




you could also complain that christians are always trying to damn everyone to hell... semantics


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08 Aug 2007, 4:33 pm

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how do you and all the other christians know your god is the one true god
what if the witches got it right after all


I'm sure.


again...

not any moreso than any other poius person of any other faith


Yet only one is true. Either Jesus is the only way, as He claimed He is, or He isn't. This is true despite how sure others are against it.


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08 Aug 2007, 4:35 pm

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My heaven would be better than your heaven, Ragtime.


Well, enjoy it then. You're attitude dulls my sympathy for you.


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08 Aug 2007, 4:37 pm

Sopho wrote:
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The world has always tried to silence Christians, through as extreme means as were available to them at the time.

Aww. You poor Christians. :(


Aw, you poor homosexuals. :(

I bet most gay people get more sh** for being gay than you've ever had for being a Christian.


Seriously doubt that.


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08 Aug 2007, 4:38 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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The world has always tried to silence Christians, through as extreme means as were available to them at the time.

Aww. You poor Christians. :(


Aw, you poor homosexuals. :(

well, yes, don't you see how that makes them feel? any church denying them to live their sexuality, that's discrimination, christians are suppose to get more people to go the church and be closer to God, right? don't you think that kind of discrimination would just scared them away, instead of attracting them? We live in different times, we are not in the first century you know, things change, social attitudes change, gender roles have changed with time, why not this thing also change? the less prejudice exists in society, the less problems we shall have.

That kind of rejection and discrimination gives some of those people psychological problems, including ones who can be suicidal because of that, so before interpretating your Bible and be a little arrogant about this, you should think about that first.


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