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12 May 2008, 6:09 pm
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Sedaka
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12 May 2008, 6:22 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
No, you really aren't. Does an apple exist everywhere on a 2 dimensional plane? No, it does not, it exists on a small portion of it. What about if we imagine a being who has time, in a timeless universe? Does he necessarily exist in all parts of that timeless universe? Not likely. So, really, you will need to back it up.
You aren't actually having a hard time imagining what I'm saying, are you?
I don't assume God to be merely one dimension above us.
I thought your imagination was greater than that.
I assume God to be several dimensions higher, in the highest dimension of all. (Last I checked, scientists had theorized 11; others say 10.)
He in fact may be that dimension -- not in the sense of true identity, but in the sense of filling it entirely.
Therefore, He would be supreme in every possible physical sense of the word.
so if we've only worked through 10-11 dimensions with math and science... and god hasn't come into any of those equations... how does math ect back up your theory, exactly?
It doesn't back up my theory, just the part that twoshots was challenging. Namely, the relations between the various dimensions.
And "God" per se hasn't come into any equations -- not by the name, of course. But unknowns appear in physics theories all the time. How about the strong forces that bind nuclei? How about the true source and cause of gravity? No one knows these things, and if we ever discover them, there are hundreds more such unknown which seem to be right in front of our faces, but are yet unseen forces at play in the physical universe.
kk i can see what you're saying.
i did post on one of these threads something about this stuff... as i was talking to a phsics prof about it. i can't remember the details really but it's interesting.
12 May 2008, 6:53 pm
13 May 2008, 7:23 am
Phagocyte wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
I just told you that in every BIO curriculum i've ever seen... evolution IS an elective.... THERE IS NO FIELD OF EVOLUTION. people who research evolution do so THROUGH their respective field.
This is true, biology is my major and I attend a pretty reputable university. I'm not really sure what Ragtime is going on about.
However, Evolution is taught as part of any general biology class, as it is a required foundation.
So it's an elective, but it's required.
Could one of you be a little more clear, please?
13 May 2008, 7:32 am
Ragtime wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
I just told you that in every BIO curriculum i've ever seen... evolution IS an elective.... THERE IS NO FIELD OF EVOLUTION. people who research evolution do so THROUGH their respective field.
This is true, biology is my major and I attend a pretty reputable university. I'm not really sure what Ragtime is going on about.
However, Evolution is taught as part of any general biology class, as it is a required foundation.
So it's an elective, but it's required.
Could one of you be a little more clear, please?It's an elective to look at it in-depth, but you'll find it in many biology subjects that are taught anyway.
13 May 2008, 8:38 am
Ragtime wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Quote:
Oh dear, I suggest you rethink your science.
I suggest you think through yours in the fist place. Such a claim requires more than just a statement of its veracity to constitute a decent argument.I'm not constituting an argument, I'm stating a basic principle of dimensional physics.
Heck, even the dimensional principles in simple math back it up!
Therefore, it's your "Invalid" denial that requires explanation.
The following sentence: "God, if He were in a higher dimension, would automatically "occupy" every point in our dimension simultaneously." seems to say that if you have an n-dimensional set, N, and an m-dimensional subspace, M, of the space that set is embedded in, then the latter is a subset of the former. Perhaps you didn't mean to make that implication, but that's effectively what the sentence says as it's written.
It's very simple to construct a counter-example. Let M be an infinite Euclidean space, and let N be an n-sphere of radius r. M contains points farther from N's center than r. These points are not in N. Therefore the implication above doesn't follow.
13 May 2008, 8:43 am
Quatermass wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
I just told you that in every BIO curriculum i've ever seen... evolution IS an elective.... THERE IS NO FIELD OF EVOLUTION. people who research evolution do so THROUGH their respective field.
This is true, biology is my major and I attend a pretty reputable university. I'm not really sure what Ragtime is going on about.
However, Evolution is taught as part of any general biology class, as it is a required foundation.
So it's an elective, but it's required.
Could one of you be a little more clear, please?It's an elective to look at it in-depth, but you'll find it in many biology subjects that are taught anyway.
Okay, then. That proves my original point that Sedaka disputed.
I said evolution is taught in a required course, but then she said
that was wrong, and that it's only taught as an elective.
So I was right.
Every idiot knows that schools MAKE YOU
learn evolution, and they make you say and write that you
believe in it.
13 May 2008, 9:08 am
13 May 2008, 9:45 am
13 May 2008, 9:47 am
Sedaka
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13 May 2008, 9:50 am
Ragtime wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
I just told you that in every BIO curriculum i've ever seen... evolution IS an elective.... THERE IS NO FIELD OF EVOLUTION. people who research evolution do so THROUGH their respective field.
This is true, biology is my major and I attend a pretty reputable university. I'm not really sure what Ragtime is going on about.
However, Evolution is taught as part of any general biology class, as it is a required foundation.
So it's an elective, but it's required.
Could one of you be a little more clear, please?specific ENTIRE courses on evolution are an elective...
but they do have a lecture or maybe small unit on it in gen bio courses
13 May 2008, 9:52 am
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
I just told you that in every BIO curriculum i've ever seen... evolution IS an elective.... THERE IS NO FIELD OF EVOLUTION. people who research evolution do so THROUGH their respective field.
This is true, biology is my major and I attend a pretty reputable university. I'm not really sure what Ragtime is going on about.
However, Evolution is taught as part of any general biology class, as it is a required foundation.
So it's an elective, but it's required.
Could one of you be a little more clear, please?specific ENTIRE courses on evolution are an elective...
but they do have a lecture or maybe small unit on it in gen bio courses
Point is, they teach it, and require you to act like you believe in it -- even when you firmly do not --
in required classes.
That's wrong -- in every way -- for them to be doing to students.
Sedaka
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13 May 2008, 9:56 am
Ragtime wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
I just told you that in every BIO curriculum i've ever seen... evolution IS an elective.... THERE IS NO FIELD OF EVOLUTION. people who research evolution do so THROUGH their respective field.
This is true, biology is my major and I attend a pretty reputable university. I'm not really sure what Ragtime is going on about.
However, Evolution is taught as part of any general biology class, as it is a required foundation.
So it's an elective, but it's required.
Could one of you be a little more clear, please?It's an elective to look at it in-depth, but you'll find it in many biology subjects that are taught anyway.
Okay, then. That proves my original point that Sedaka disputed.
I said evolution is taught in a required course, but then she said
that was wrong, and that it's only taught as an elective.
So I was right.
Every idiot knows that schools MAKE YOUlearn evolution, and they make you say and write that you
believe in it.
i already aplogized and retracted the statement...
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13 May 2008, 9:57 am
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
I just told you that in every BIO curriculum i've ever seen... evolution IS an elective.... THERE IS NO FIELD OF EVOLUTION. people who research evolution do so THROUGH their respective field.
This is true, biology is my major and I attend a pretty reputable university. I'm not really sure what Ragtime is going on about.
However, Evolution is taught as part of any general biology class, as it is a required foundation.
So it's an elective, but it's required.
Could one of you be a little more clear, please?specific ENTIRE courses on evolution are an elective...
but they do have a lecture or maybe small unit on it in gen bio courses
Point is, they teach it, and require you to act like you believe in it -- even when you firmly do not --
in required classes.
That's wrong -- in every way -- for them to be doing to students.
lol they never make you sign a waiver or anything... but you do have to be able to answer questions about it... LIKE ANY OTHER CLASS
