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More words of wisdom from Accelerator:

"Trust in thyself and to thy own self be true."
Socrates

There is a lot of conspiracy theories out there to distract us from our ability to see things more clearly and simply.
Carnegie and Rockefeller were the biggest contributors to this form of brainwashing.

This I agree with, decentralization of power. That's what it's all about. Everything goes up in a big pyramid in the "civilized" world system, taking our taxes and our rights with it. Decentralization is key. Go back to our roots, back to a natural, tribal system. But I don't think might is necessarily right though. At the same time I'm not for any of this faggy liberal stuff either. I'd be more center because I've got the balls of the conservatives and the heart of the liberals. I reject labels in favor of open conscience.....
Some say this can't work but then you've got to look at so many tribes across the world today who are doing just fine with it, no money, they trade. And they've still got their natural self-preservation mechanism, a greater since of individuality from the other tribe members, less illnesses and diseases.... Yeah I'd say I'd be a tribalist. There would be a leader voted by the tribe, but he wouldn't be a ruler. Everyone's voice would count.

Yes, definately

Doesn't the word "philosophy" mean.. "a love of wisdom" (or knowledge).. ?

I experience it as "a love".. anyway.

It obsesses me.

I started asking meaningful questions at the age of seven..

After to a brief exposure to Sunday school.. I promptly became an atheist..

I suppose that was my first move towards free thinking....

Then I started to wonder about infinity.. and why I was me.. and not somebody else.. and where did I come from.. I still remember my first enquiries.

Reading.. then.. became an addiction.

Standing on the shoulders of giants.. as Newton put it.




I love these passages..

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The Last Days of Socrates by Plato

"Let's look again at their sworn deposition. It goes something like this, they say that Socrates is guilty of corrupting the young and of not acknowledging the gods which the city acknowledges, but different, new divinities."

(text established from manuscripts written by the monks.)


Plato wrote down what Socrates had said concerning his trial:

"I don't know what affect my accusers have had on you. I, for my part, almost forgot who I was they were so persuasive, yet, scarcely a word of what they said was true.

I was especially astonished at one of their many lies. They said that you must be on your guard against me because I'm a clever speaker. I thought that this was particularly shameless of them, since, they must know that the facts will shortly expose them, when it becomes obvious that I am not at all skilful as a speaker, unless, of course, they mean by a clever orator one who speaks the truth."

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Socrates did say some very true things but lets not forget he was an aristocratic psychopath, he envisioned the NWO in his book "Republic", he called it "the Great Work". well, the Great Work is almost complete.

er, my bad, Plato wrote that, socrates was his mentor. But Plato also describes how civilization is to be designed after a bee colony, the worker bees (us, the slave class), then the drones (politicians), and at the cap stone there lies the royalty, the ruling psychopathic aristocratic inbred bloodlines that started this whole mess. Hince Adam Weishaupt's "Beenan Order".

Various high freemason authors have written books confirming the bee hive format, Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma", that's a really good one I'm reading now..... They've got theyr own religion to justify their evil.. It's written most plainly in the books of high freemasons.. All our religions were based off of that one.

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Basically, religions are allegories, they give the masses exoteric religions while the elites have an esoteric (hidden) religion in them, the SAME esoteric religion in all religions.... It's a business plan for world enslavement. Darwin stated that as long as man had to use money and had religion we were already slaves, and he was admitting to it because he himself was of those bloodlines.. He considered slavery the natural order, hell all of them do. See religious people always will believe the people in their religions were real people, but they are allegories. The elites worship a sun god, they worship the sun.... They also believe in reincarnation through their offspring.... And they've definately always had their finger in every pie, no true grass roots movement was ever allowed to spring up because it would have upsetted their power hold. Even the "truth movement" is infiltrated.

This is all the work of psychopathic minds who inbred and kept their agenda going for thousands of years. They've basically been playing god here on earth for a very long time... Hell in ancient Greece people were forced to worship their political leaders as gods.

Are you saying that the people who were responsible for Socrates demise were righteous?

What makes you think that.. ?

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"New World Order refers to a conspiracy in which a powerful and secretive group is plotting to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles. In this theory, many significant occurrences are said to be caused by a powerful secret group or groups. Historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to rule the world primarily through a combination of political finance, social engineering, mind control, and fear-based propaganda.[1][2][3][4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_ ... conspiracy)

This sounds more like Dan Brown than Socrates..

I’m not a fan of Dan Brown myself.

Nor am I a fan of "gorgeous" Gordon…

Philosophy can only move forward by means of making progressive approximations.. truths can change with the times.

We can only try to grasp the nature of things.. with our relatively tiny minds.

Doesn't every generation.. have those who dream of a New Age.. a New System.. a New World Order.. etc.

I guess it simply demonstrates the dissatisfaction.. some of us feel.. with the existing one.

Some are dreamers....... and some are not.

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"Yes: I am a dreamer. For a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world."

Oscar Wilde

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In this thread we started out thinking one way and then coming to the conclusion that a person does have to take responsibility.
We talked about being spiritual and enlightened as a way to achieve a Utopian society. But now, take a look around.
There are so many people who are just so lost. Think of all those rude and aggressive people you encountered in your life.
Imagine them being free to do what they want. It's a scary thought.

Socrates had a great mind and heart but he was also a realist to a healthy point. Plato's Republic clearly states the need for an organized government as a need to control the population.

There are the elite intellectuals. But then there are a lot of really "not so intelligent" people out there. They must have come to the same conclusion and that is why they wrote the politics for a better world. NWO? Maybe...I'll have to think about that one.

I think they had good intentions but,
"The road to hell is often paved with the best intentions."

So those of us who are not born to this elite sect, where do we stand? I sure don't want to be lumped in with the wild monkeys and treted like cattle, nor do I want to live amongst them.

No we're already under world government, we've BEEN under world government. These bloodlines have always planned our history... You just have to read their books, they'll tell you, usually in old books collecting dust on library shelves.. This all goes back to AT LEAST ancient Sumeria... Read Plato's Republic, he tells you how they took all their knowledge of human nature and planned this entire matrix.... To study people....

Paganism was the first world order, christianity was 2nd, New Age will be the New World Order religion.... Religion is a business plan, all religion. It's all in the books if you study them. Hell Socrates states slavery to be the natural order in the republic too. This agenda moves forward in stages, an "age" to them is 2160 yrs, and they always shift from one world order to the next in disguise. It's that ancient aristocracy of inbred psychopathic bloodlines.

Civilization is not natural, it's a deviant system where people are closed in together in cities and what not, slaved through taxation and domesticated like cattle, now there's nothing left in people of their survival instincts or self preservation, it's been trained out of people. Thousands of years of expirementation on the populace and now they've perfected mind control over the people.... People in all ages were of induced beliefs. It's a psychopathic system....... All forms of government in civilization came from the same families, and all are eugenics control systems. Breeding systems, and monitoring systems.

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I must have missed that part...

Dude seriously, research tribal health and tribal history, you won't find things like AIDS, cancer, ebola, polio, etc, hell not even tooth decay, to be a common occurance... Most of those illnesses were created in labs as a form of population control.... Natural people have much stronger immune systems, they rarely if ever get sick.

Plato also describes that in Republic, when he says that they can create the illness and then create the cure, it's a scam... The medical industry has always been a scam.....
Ask yourself this, if there were no natural disasters or any major conflicts of that sort where aid was needed, would organizations like Red Cross even exist? Without catastrophe they'd never be paid, would they?

I took a course in physical anthro for kicks a few years back. Your point on tooth decay doesn't make any sense. It emerged in many disparate populations quite independently with the introduction of agriculture, and is associated with many diseases and ailments that were caused by farming and animal domestication.

As for the rest of your argument, I'm going to just point out 1) sh***y medicine means sh***y diagnoses ("I think he has an imbalance of the humours") and 2) Cancer is primarily a disease of the elderly, and people had shorter lifespans in the past. People have been getting sick since the dawn of time. Attributing a couple of only recently discovered/documented/evolved diseases to some kind of NWO plot is, to say the least, an incredibly unnecessarily clumsy solution to a not even apparently existent problem.