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31 Mar 2011, 7:34 pm

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Yeah you usually don't post sources and expect people to take what you say as the gospel truth...



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31 Mar 2011, 7:37 pm

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Yeah you usually don't post sources and expect people to take what you say as the gospel truth...


Why is it you don't actually reply to what people rebut against you but always bring random things up like this for instance? Where should JV or myself have included sources? Should I be sourcing this reply right now with dozens of examples of you ignoring legitimate rebuttals?


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31 Mar 2011, 7:41 pm

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@ JakobVirgil

Yeah you usually don't post sources and expect people to take what you say as the gospel truth...


Why is it you don't actually reply to what people rebut against you but always bring random things up like this for instance? Where should JV or myself have included sources? Should I be sourcing this reply right now with dozens of examples of you ignoring legitimate rebuttals?


I have a roundabout way of debating, and tbh sometimes you think you have a a valid rebutal and you honestly don't.

Furthermore, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which post I was replying to.



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31 Mar 2011, 7:47 pm

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Yeah you usually don't post sources and expect people to take what you say as the gospel truth...


wrong!! !

well partly wrong what I say is gospel truth.

but Wrong!! about posting sources when I make a statement of fact.
mostly I ask questions and state opinion a opinion (athough I do have a bad habit of using declaimations).
I would say my tone is mostly one of skeptism of the absolutness of peoples statements.

you answered no questions and recieve no points. :lol:


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31 Mar 2011, 7:56 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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@ JakobVirgil

Yeah you usually don't post sources and expect people to take what you say as the gospel truth...


Why is it you don't actually reply to what people rebut against you but always bring random things up like this for instance? Where should JV or myself have included sources? Should I be sourcing this reply right now with dozens of examples of you ignoring legitimate rebuttals?


I have a roundabout way of debating, and tbh sometimes you think you have a a valid rebutal and you honestly don't.

Furthermore, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which post I was replying to.


'Roundabout', good, you are aware of the circular nature you often add to debate

You ignore replies or write something completely unrelated when you have been backed into a corner by not very well thought out statements and can't swallow your pride.
For instance, you accuse me of basing my dislike for Fox on my 'leftist idols', make the major assumption I dislike the policies you agree with because I watch MSNBC. Then don't bother replying when I query you on this (il)logic.

It is disrespectful, dishonest and disingenuous to debate in this fashion

And this whole sourcing b.s. is just that. I provide sources when necessary. If I was starting a thread on something controversial, I would source it. Frankly, this whole line of discussion is typically diversionary and pointless. I am more then happy to do research and find citations if I am making a controversial statement, and I will not use Fox News or a major media outlet as a legitimate source, either. If I'm talking about things I know, because I have dedicated time to learning them, and you disagree with something I say, I will go and get the original source of my work, but thus far you don't tend to ask me about these things. Additionally I tend to argue from a historical/geographic/anthropoligical standpoint, while you are using emotional right-wing media rhetoric.

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mostly I ask questions and state opinion a opinion


Exactly, this is a typically pointless line of conflict to go down...


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you answered no questions and recieve no points.


Giving real answers is not his style


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01 Apr 2011, 2:11 pm

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http://www.salon.com/news/tea_parties/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/03/31/welfare_tea_parties

Chuck Grassley, Sam Brownback, and Michele Bachmann are welfare queens :lol:
they need their tubes tied


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http://www.salon.com/news/tea_parties/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/03/31/welfare_tea_parties

:lol:
Gotta love hypocrisy


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04 Apr 2011, 5:29 pm

Orwell wrote:
An interesting thing (to me at least) is the differing interpretations liberals and conservatives apply to the same data. It applies in most social areas, but a bit more starkly in race relations. Liberals see unequal outcomes and take that as evidence of some systemic issue, such as unequal opportunities (eg "blacks are often born into poor neighborhoods without good educational opportunities") or overt discrimination ("the man's keeping us down"). Right-wingers see unequal outcomes and assume either inherent differences (eg "blacks are genetically inferior to whites") or differences in work ethic ("blacks are lazy"). Looking at more detailed stats, especially conditional probabilities, seems to support the "liberal" assumptions more. For example, a white person is relatively less likely to get busted for committing the exact same crime as a black person.


You could just as well group the "unequal opportunities" and "differences in work ethic" explanations together on the basis that they dispute the significance of genetic differences, and are both "permitted" in the mainstream, whereas explanations referring to genetic differences are not. For example, I don't see why the mainstream conservative "Blacks need to improve their work ethic" explanation is qualitatively different from the explanation liberals often offer concerning the relative academic success of East Asians, i.e., "it's their culture".

I really have not seen many so-called right-wingers use phrases like "genetically inferior" either, probably because the phrase is sort of meaningless on its own without specifying criteria or context. In fact, I have seen a fair few on the media-designated "far right" (aka race-conscious Whites) wonder out loud if White people themselves have some fatal genetic flaw in the context of living in the modern world - a flaw that makes them so extremely susceptible to liberalism.



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04 Apr 2011, 6:11 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Furthermore, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which post I was replying to.


Possibly not, although a basic engineering degree would certainly help.



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04 Apr 2011, 6:42 pm

codarac wrote:
Orwell wrote:
An interesting thing (to me at least) is the differing interpretations liberals and conservatives apply to the same data. It applies in most social areas, but a bit more starkly in race relations. Liberals see unequal outcomes and take that as evidence of some systemic issue, such as unequal opportunities (eg "blacks are often born into poor neighborhoods without good educational opportunities") or overt discrimination ("the man's keeping us down"). Right-wingers see unequal outcomes and assume either inherent differences (eg "blacks are genetically inferior to whites") or differences in work ethic ("blacks are lazy"). Looking at more detailed stats, especially conditional probabilities, seems to support the "liberal" assumptions more. For example, a white person is relatively less likely to get busted for committing the exact same crime as a black person.


You could just as well group the "unequal opportunities" and "differences in work ethic" explanations together on the basis that they dispute the significance of genetic differences, and are both "permitted" in the mainstream, whereas explanations referring to genetic differences are not. For example, I don't see why the mainstream conservative "Blacks need to improve their work ethic" explanation is qualitatively different from the explanation liberals often offer concerning the relative academic success of East Asians, i.e., "it's their culture".

I really have not seen many so-called right-wingers use phrases like "genetically inferior" either, probably because the phrase is sort of meaningless on its own without specifying criteria or context. In fact, I have seen a fair few on the media-designated "far right" (aka race-conscious Whites) wonder out loud if White people themselves have some fatal genetic flaw in the context of living in the modern world - a flaw that makes them so extremely susceptible to liberalism.


Actually, there had been some cretin interviewed on Fox who believed we, and not Arabs, are fit for democracy, because we're genetically predisposed to it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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09 Apr 2011, 5:45 am

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Actually, there had been some cretin interviewed on Fox who believed we, and not Arabs, are fit for democracy, because we're genetically predisposed to it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


My guess is that the presenters did not agree with him. Having such people on mainstream "right wing" shows just allows the neocons to step in and portray themselves as righteously "anti-racist" by supporting Western meddling in the Middle East.

On the other hand, I know neocon pundits can sometimes say some very derogatory things about Middle Eastern Muslims - always, of course, being careful that such talk does not prompt their audience to start questioning the merits of racial diversity within their own country.