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06 Jun 2012, 3:55 pm
Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Marshall wrote:
I wasn't talking about you in specific. In general accusing people of envy is a type of trolling regardless of whatever real ideological disagreements there are. I'm sticking to that. If you want to twist that into me calling you a "troll" merely for disagreeing with me then go right ahead. It only damages your own credibility.
My credibility? Every time you go off on a rant you damage yours and give credit to my position.
It actually is trolling to make provoking comments in an attempt to piss of the other side, go ahead look up the definition of trolling. If it wasn't how you meant it then do tell us what you mean? But keep in mind there is no proof envy is what makes people unhappy with the system so it looks a lot like an accusation with no basis to stand on.
Your current position has no credit...no one said you are a troll for merely disagreeing, it was only suggested indicating envy is why people don't oppose taxes was trollish.
A bout 1/3 of the threads started, let alone the replies, could easily be interpreted as provoking (trolling). I see the left making more of these provocative threads and replies than anyone else.
And so that means you should make such remarks? and no one should call you out on it?
06 Jun 2012, 4:12 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Marshall wrote:
I wasn't talking about you in specific. In general accusing people of envy is a type of trolling regardless of whatever real ideological disagreements there are. I'm sticking to that. If you want to twist that into me calling you a "troll" merely for disagreeing with me then go right ahead. It only damages your own credibility.
My credibility? Every time you go off on a rant you damage yours and give credit to my position.
It actually is trolling to make provoking comments in an attempt to piss of the other side, go ahead look up the definition of trolling. If it wasn't how you meant it then do tell us what you mean? But keep in mind there is no proof envy is what makes people unhappy with the system so it looks a lot like an accusation with no basis to stand on.
Your current position has no credit...no one said you are a troll for merely disagreeing, it was only suggested indicating envy is why people don't oppose taxes was trollish.
A bout 1/3 of the threads started, let alone the replies, could easily be interpreted as provoking (trolling). I see the left making more of these provocative threads and replies than anyone else.
And so that means you should make such remarks? and no one should call you out on it?
Believe it or not there really is such a thing as envy and it does drive some people to attack those that have what they don't.
Forget trying to make me feel guilty because you can't and I'll just post more.
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06 Jun 2012, 4:18 pm
Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Marshall wrote:
I wasn't talking about you in specific. In general accusing people of envy is a type of trolling regardless of whatever real ideological disagreements there are. I'm sticking to that. If you want to twist that into me calling you a "troll" merely for disagreeing with me then go right ahead. It only damages your own credibility.
My credibility? Every time you go off on a rant you damage yours and give credit to my position.
It actually is trolling to make provoking comments in an attempt to piss of the other side, go ahead look up the definition of trolling. If it wasn't how you meant it then do tell us what you mean? But keep in mind there is no proof envy is what makes people unhappy with the system so it looks a lot like an accusation with no basis to stand on.
Your current position has no credit...no one said you are a troll for merely disagreeing, it was only suggested indicating envy is why people don't oppose taxes was trollish.
A bout 1/3 of the threads started, let alone the replies, could easily be interpreted as provoking (trolling). I see the left making more of these provocative threads and replies than anyone else.
And so that means you should make such remarks? and no one should call you out on it?
Believe it or not there really is such a thing as envy and it does drive some people to attack those that have what they don't.
Forget trying to make me feel guilty because you can't and I'll just post more.
Really? Please site examples.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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06 Jun 2012, 4:23 pm
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Believe it or not there really is such a thing as envy and it does drive some people to attack those that have what they don't.
Forget trying to make me feel guilty because you can't and I'll just post more.
Of course there is envy and envy drives some people to attack others....but to claim the reason people are ok with having taxes and a social safety network comes down to jealousy is quite inaccurate and I'd agree with marshalls assesment that it was trollish. And why would I want to make some kid feel guilty? If you honestly think envy is the reason people people are ok with taxation fine, but as someone with that perspective I don't think its envy at all. I don't want 2 big houses, 5 cars a private jet or to be waited on by maids and butlers and such like. I just think its best to have a system that supports its citizens, including the ones in poverty that need help having their needs met I am confused as to where the envy comes in.
06 Jun 2012, 4:28 pm
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Marshall wrote:
Sounds like the rantings of thems that aint have.
Do you realize that this is a discussion forum and a discussion forum only and we are not deciding the fate of nations here?
Sometimes I really wonder............
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TO ALL PROPONENTS OF RIGHT-WING LIBERTARIANISM AND MARKET FUNDAMENTALISTS. YOU ARE NOT "RATIONAL". YOU ARE NOT "OBJECTIVE". YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT FROM MARXISTS. YOU ARE SIMPLY PONTIFICATING OVER A BUNCH OF RIGID ABSOLUTIST MORALISTIC BS THAT DOES NOT FUNCTION IN THE REAL WORLD. NOT ONLY THAT, THE MORALISTIC BS OF MARKET FUNDAMENTALISTS IS THAT OF AN OBNOXIOUS THREE YEAR OLD SCREECHING OVER "HIS" TOYS IN THE SANDBOX. MINE!! ! MINE!! ! MINE!! !
Sounds like the rantings of thems that aint have.
Do you realize that this is a discussion forum and a discussion forum only and we are not deciding the fate of nations here?
Sometimes I really wonder............
I seriously doubt that Marshall is motivated by any so called class envy conservatives are fond of accusing those without of feeling. That charge of class warfare is leveled by the right when they don't want to address social inequities and greed by the haves.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I'm talking about how idiotic the broken record "taxation is theft" is. It's not an argument.
I'd also say it's not envy people feel, but fear. Fear that our country is going to go into decline due to the irrational and/or outright deceitful actions of the far-right. Things like claiming they are for balancing budgets while simultaneously pledging to cut taxes for the wealthy which will end up lowering revenue. It borders on absurdity.
Oh, I know that you were talking about the "taxation is theft" mantra, but Raptor's comment of, "Sounds like the rantings of thems that aint have," was an accusation that you were envious of those who have.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
People who are too dense to engage in real discussion must resort to personal accusations. Calling people who are legitimately fearful for their future "envious" is just a form of trolling.
I disagree so I must therefore be a "troll".
Doesn't matter that we on the right are concerned about the country falling financially on its ass you just want to spend more on social programs.
I wasn't talking about you in specific. In general accusing people of envy is a type of trolling regardless of whatever real ideological disagreements there are. I'm sticking to that. If you want to twist that into me calling you a "troll" merely for disagreeing with me then go right ahead. It only damages your own credibility.
My credibility? Every time you go off on a rant you damage yours and give credit to my position.
Whatever.
I take this response as an admission you twisted my words and spouted nonsense.
06 Jun 2012, 5:14 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Believe it or not there really is such a thing as envy and it does drive some people to attack those that have what they don't.
Forget trying to make me feel guilty because you can't and I'll just post more.
Of course there is envy and envy drives some people to attack others....but to claim the reason people are ok with having taxes and a social safety network comes down to jealousy is quite inaccurate and I'd agree with marshalls assesment that it was trollish. And why would I want to make some kid feel guilty? If you honestly think envy is the reason people people are ok with taxation fine, but as someone with that perspective I don't think its envy at all. I don't want 2 big houses, 5 cars a private jet or to be waited on by maids and butlers and such like. I just think its best to have a system that supports its citizens, including the ones in poverty that need help having their needs met I am confused as to where the envy comes in.
I agree and besides the envy theory doesn't fly, when there are millionaires who say they and other millionaires should be paying more taxes. There are more than the envy theorist might imagine. Just one example: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
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06 Jun 2012, 5:19 pm
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06 Jun 2012, 5:23 pm
06 Jun 2012, 5:31 pm
It's just no use. There's no explaining to the closed minded no matter how simple the concept.
My dog has a better grasp.
I'm done beating this dead horse so whatever.
06 Jun 2012, 5:34 pm
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06 Jun 2012, 5:35 pm
Raptor wrote:
:wall:
It's just no use. There's no explaining to the closed minded no matter how simple the concept.
My dog has a better grasp.
I'm done beating this dead horse so whatever.
It's just no use. There's no explaining to the closed minded no matter how simple the concept.
My dog has a better grasp.
I'm done beating this dead horse so whatever.
And you speak for the the open minded? hmm
perhaps it is best to stop beating this dead horse.
06 Jun 2012, 5:41 pm
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06 Jun 2012, 5:48 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
:wall:
It's just no use. There's no explaining to the closed minded no matter how simple the concept.
My dog has a better grasp.
I'm done beating this dead horse so whatever.
It's just no use. There's no explaining to the closed minded no matter how simple the concept.
My dog has a better grasp.
I'm done beating this dead horse so whatever.
And you speak for the the open minded? hmm
perhaps it is best to stop beating this dead horse.That is what I thought
I agree that your dog has a better grasp, (marshall's avatar is a dog)
06 Jun 2012, 6:02 pm
Raptor wrote:
:wall:
It's just no use. There's no explaining to the closed minded no matter how simple the concept.
My dog has a better grasp.
I'm done beating this dead horse so whatever.
It's just no use. There's no explaining to the closed minded no matter how simple the concept.
My dog has a better grasp.
I'm done beating this dead horse so whatever.
U mad?
Can I provide any consolation by telling you the feeling is 100% mutual?
If my rants bother you so much maybe I'll just stick to posting a bunch of
's. I'd rather not give myself brain damage though.
06 Jun 2012, 6:09 pm
