Why is there so much liberal hate?

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In terms of actual policies, or platitudes? Most people seem to peg them by the latter.

Hey! If you go to the left at all you are called a socialist or communist. Political death.

Most psychopaths are convinced of their own righteousness. That you empathize with this is sickening and worthy of the highest contempt.

The American revolution was not popular with who? There were loyalists but their children were not shot to make a point.

You need to stop trying to draw comparisons between your mass murdering hero and legitimate political movements

being conviced you are doing the right thing is no argument, for anything, at all.

Exactly, I am absolutely certain sitting down with bin Laden or Brievik would result in virtually the exact same interview albeit with interchanged religious paradigms

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I has always been like this.

Also, there is a difference between empathy and sympathy. You can be empathetic towards someone without being sympathetic. http://www.diffen.com/difference/Empathy_vs_Sympathy

This is an extremely underwhelming justification for sympathizing with a mass murderer with delusions of grandeur. There is absolutely no comparison between Breivik and the US revolution or any other legitimate political uprising. Not without some serious mental gymnastics, at least

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Thought that was aimed at me at first. .

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When you do talk politics/engage in the discussion I find on many issues our views are not all that different. You should engage more often, and prove me wrong about your behavior. You do want to one-up me, don't you?

By policy.

Let's get back on the topic of this discussion. You, a liberal, are currently hitting out at a strawman while I'm aiming the argumentation gun at the back of your head.
I don't empathize. I just have more understanding as to why he feels that way than you do, having experienced similar difficulties with muslims on a weekly basis.



With a majority of the population in the colonies, for one. While the revolutionary camp was a bit larger than the loyalist camp, it received support from just over 40% of the white part of the population. Hardly a legitimate popular uprising, and supported officially by the French and unofficially by the Dutch. Additionally, and I can't say this enough, respond to what I'm saying, not your inaccurate interpretation of what others said about me.

Quite the comedian this sultry Friday afternoon aren't you...

have you read some of the stuff breivik spewed in his manifesto??

have rou read his diary and what he intended to do?

if not you dont even start to have an idea of what he felt and if you do it becomes readily apparant that you yourself harbor similar thoughts because of their fundemntalism and extremity.

he calls for the use of extreme brutality and even weapons of mass destruction.

that is the issue we have, there is no justification for it, his thoughts were based on a fantasy about a great european civil war in which the warriors of christianity and islam are fighting eachother in a life and death scenario.

If you drive, use electricity, have your trash collected, have running water that isn't being pumped directly from an artesian well, then you are relying on the government. You pay taxes and your tax dollars are used to support the infrastructure that ALL of us ultimately depend on. If you TRULY want to be self-reliant, follow the example of Chris McCandless from Into the wild and try to "live off the land". You're so dense sometimes, brah.


Libertarians in general seem to be either completely delusional, or kinda stupid in some regard. Their beliefs are just *that* far removed form the reality of this world.

The first fifteen pages, and several excerpts, yes. What does that have to do with it?



How did you decide that? To be honest, I think it's a sign of weakness in you that you're trying to accuse me of these things for disagreeing with you.
Once again, as the faults in your argumentation are glaring, I'll ask you this - are you what they'd call a liberal or worse in the United States?



He's a madman, of course. But if he had been right, what would you have said? You'd be angry at me for defending the idea that there didn't have to be a civil war. It's all socially normative. I don't like Breivik, and I hate the things he did, but I'm not going to ignore everything that inspired him just because of that. Unfortunately, liberals started smelling blood, as the time of his attacks was extremely convenient - many European governments were just about to step off from the idea of multiculturalism. Many of the people that inspired him were actual intellectuals with interesting and well-argued (that is, beyond personal insults, speculation about jealousy and thin-air accusations) points of view.

A straw man? You were the one who brought your sympathy with Breivik into this discussion. After you realized there was no going back, you have spent the past few posts trying to weasel out of your statement. My own political views are not relevant to this line of discourse. This is not a question of politics, it is a question of morality. No moral individual, left or right, would sympathize with the actions of this murdering, megalomaniac, delusional, bombastic, self-aggrandizing, ignorant, and cowardly piece of s**t



Your metaphorical devices are very telling of your mindset



What sort of difficulties are these? The fact that they exist? All you are telling us is you sympathize with being ruled by fear and reactionary ideals, and acting out on them in an extremely violent and bloody manner



Absolutely wrong. The largest group, by far, were the patriots, with close to half of the colonists supporting them. Less than half a million (~15%) were loyalists, and the rest of that did not go either way



It was more than "a bit larger". Other than approximately 15% of the population who were opposed, the rest of the colonists did not go either way, indicating relative ambivalence, not opposition to independence. So yes, it was a popular uprising



I have been responding to your statements and I reserve my own opinion of you

Ultimately this discussion of the American revolution is extremely tangential and diversionary. There are no parallels between the US Patriots and Breivik.



Are you joking?????

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