Would you date a feminist?

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Women have their privilege too, for instance....your government won't send you to the army in case your country gets invaded.
Another instance, househusbandry is not respected while housewivery is praised (even though it gets attacked by some feminists), you as a woman, you have the choice to either be working or to be a stay-at-home mom; men don't have this luxury, if a man fails to get a job then he instantly become a pariah (including in the dating market) - even dogs would be viewed more valuable than them by their govs; hence why there are way more homeless men than women.

Women are oppressed in MUSLIM societies. Women are freer than they've ever been in the western world. You better not tell the liberals that Islam oppresses women though. It's much more important that they focus on female butts being shown in video games than the literal raping of Europe.

Face of Boo, it reallt depends on the country in regards to the army. Some countries accept (or even reinforce, like Israel) women in combat.

Also, the other things you've pointed out are views strongly maintained by men. Many - if not most - men despise housework and feel that it's 'less' to be a housewife/househusband, for example.

I feel being a housewife is dignified, actually.

In the old days (yes, when women had few legal rights), women used to manage entire households--almost like a CEO.

I must admit that I don't like cleaning house, and I'm not good at it.

The ideal relationship for me is for my lady to do the deep cleaning, and for me to do the heavy lifting.

Well, actually women get get paid less because women tend to be not brave enough to negotiate for higher pay, because women who negotiate for higher pay tend to be seen as greedy and unlikeable and won't be hired, and a job with less desirable pay is still preferred than no job at all.

Women have also been socialized to doubt themselves, and women who choose to appear confident tend to be seen as "b*****s" whereas men who make the same choice are not likely to receive the same penalty. There have even been studies along the line of college-level men and women having to take the same test and rate themselves, and women would consistently think they "deserve" less while men think they deserve more, when the average results would be more or less the same.

Feminism has always been about trying to change society as a whole, but how unsurprising it is that we have men who choose to interpret "society" as men and somehow make it all about themselves. I'm sure somewhere in the future there will be someone pointing to the above paragraphs and say something along the "women judge other women too!" Well, duh. Society comprises men and women and no one is zeroing on men as the root of the problems, and just like how a man can be a feminist a woman can be a misogynist.



First of all, I take issue with the qualifier "some" used in the first sentence of the second paragraph. Some men rape women. Some men rape men. Some men are child molesters. So what? Feminism is the general idea that men and women should be equal and there are all kinds of interpretation for it, and what "some" subscribers of the idea do with it says nothing about the core idea behind feminism. It should also be kept in mind that feminists are humans and humans have flaws. Just because MLK, Jr. was unfaithful to his wife doesn't mean we should disregard what he did for the civil rights movement.

I don't disagree that men generally suffer for being or doing things are doing things that are generally considered "feminine," which only brings up two things. First, the problem that society thinks "feminine" is somehow less than "masculine." Second, the fact that the whole point of feminism is to change these double standards. Although you may be adamant about not seeing this, if you're being honest to yourself I think you'll find that the people who look down on househusbands are most likely the same people who scoff at feminism. In fact, let's just take currently famous political figures and google their views on feminism. I know I personally wouldn't be surprised by the results. And I would go into what women have to deal with then the time comes for them to make babies, but I'm sure someone else will be better equipped to do that.



Why are we talking about you? We're talking about lack of inequality in society, not about you.



Why are we talking about you? This isn't about how your personal view of being a housewife.

259, I didn't say feminism is against housewives, but I meant to say it it's only some feminists; I am sure many housewives who are even feminists themselves feel that hostility toward them from some of the radical feminists.

I do believe tho, that housewivery as a whole is harmful for women and it's one of the main causes of the pay gap (besides the ones you mentioned) - it's kind of a taboo that most women don't want to admit but being housewive means being financially weak; therefore automatically being dependent on a man; if a society has 30-40% of women as housewives then that's too much of weakness among women and it reinforces the traditional role of man as a provider and this would reflect on salaries:
As I explained before; when bosses divide the salary budget, they tend to give a plus to married men over women and single men because the logic goes that a married man might have a non-working wife while a married woman would be way more likely to have a working partner (truth: most women refuse to date non-working men), therefore the premium goes to married men.
The pay is almost non-existing between single men and single women, while moms are the least paid, check it out.

There are studies out there explain in detail why the role of housewive is harmful for women especially for working moms, and its impact on how employers think, I am not inventing anything from my own head.

For the to change, either housewivery has to go, or the idea of women accepting to marry men as househusband to become more common and more accepted to balance things and to change the idea (in the heads of employers) that the married man is always the provider.

Tatal,
Israel is an exception (yet most of their infantry who were sent here on 2006 july war to die were men, maybe all were men, I know Israel news well, check my country) , in most countries, even western countries, the call of duty is on men - and it had been so in the most of the human history of civilizations.

As for the other things, they are not only strongly maintained by men , by a lot of women too: many women won't even consider to date unemployed men, this is real - therefore that automatically means not accepting the houseband role on men.

Men hate housework because they were raised to not like it and to not get used to it.

my husband does all the housework except cooking. i'm a full-time student and he's retired. he is the least ambitious person i know. never liked working outside the home.

most families in the US have both parents working outside the home, with women still unfairly doing most of the housework.

I understand. Even so, this is the kind of logic that is only applied to counter-attack feminists when they complain. Not the military part; I assume compulsory military service is not really fun for anyone. But I don't see many men complaining that they can't stay home and take care of the kids for real. I come from a very sexist culture, where househusbandry is looked down on. Men here usually laugh at the mere concept of staying home. And suddenly this so-called female privilege quickly becomes a valid argument against women's 'demands'.

I'm not saying there is no pressure over men. There definitely is. My point is that, if men are uncomfortable not being able to do something, then they should join the fight. I don't see housewivery as a privilege; rather a thing that was thrust upon the women all around me; few actually chose it. I'm actually very happy women before me fought to liberate me from this privilege. Maybe men could use some liberation on their part as well.

/\ Hum, didn't like this smiley. Makes it look like I'm laughing. Consider it a regular smiley face.

Now wait a second. I was reacting to Tatals' post.

I guess I should have specified that.

It's not nice to be so strident; we're not in a classroom here.

I think 259 is the troll katy, but this has to be confirmed.

The word feminism says nothing about gender. Femi is from feminine wich is having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with women, especially delicacy and prettiness.

Femininity is traditionally associated with women but men can be feminine to.
And saying that feminism is about women is saying that men cannot or are not allowed to be feminine.
Wich is opressing men.

Both men and women can be feminine and masculine.
But since feminine things are usually looked up as not as good as the things we lable masculine it is looked up on as a setback for a man to be or act feminine.

Have you tried to ask women how they view on househusbandry? In my personal "survey" on the matter, all responses were flat no and mockery about it.

Let's not forget that the majority of world's population is religious; Islam makes it clear that it's the man's duty to feed the family - and even if the mother makes her kids starve for choosing not to work then it wouldn't be a sin on her, but on the her husband.

Traditional Christianity has a similar view on the role of the man. 'But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever' (1 Timothy 5:8 ESV).

Atheists/Agnostics/Untypically-religious are still a minority in the world.

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A woman who behaves masculine or shows masculine traits isn't seen positively either.

It's not Feminine = bad while Masculine = good in the absolute sense.

In reality, it's not like that.

What it is more like:
Feminine is seen bad if it's expressed by men.
Masculine is seen bad if it's expressed by women.

Try to cut your hair as a guy for instance, and check the negative comments/glances.

Or try to behave like a typical man by the way you sit down, eat, and talk... most people won't like it, people usually won't feel comfortable for something outside the norm, they won't see your "Masculine" traits as good.

Hell no. Feminism is terrorism and most (if not all) feminist are mentally ill/dysfunctional.