Board index › Topical Discussion › Politics, Philosophy, and Religion

"It's not a Muslim ban! It's working out very nicely!"

Page 18 of 21 [ 325 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21  Next

Previous topic | Next topic

androbot01
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Sep 2014
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,746
Location: Kingston, Ontario, Canada

06 Feb 2017, 11:58 am

b9 wrote:
..and you just waste your time arguing stuff where the underlying principle is you trying to make out you are extremely intelligent.

That's what everybody in PPR does. Rarely is the discussion about the issues, it always degrades to personal grudges and trying to show who is more "intelligent."



EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 27,828
Location: Twin Peaks

06 Feb 2017, 12:00 pm

Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I suppose you would complain about the civil rights marches in the sixties,all that shouting and commotion,people getting sprayed by hoses,bitten by dogs,beat down by cops.
I've seen footage of plenty of peaceful people marching,maybe you should stop googling violent protests.
Nothing wrong with protesting at airports,I beleive that was done before when the air traffic controllers went on strike.Nothing wrong with peaceful marches at the Super Bowl,not like it's sacred ground.
None of these actions are actually new,people have done this before.Yet you act like its the first time you have ever seen civil unrest.Oh yeah,it probably is. :D


Oh yeah sure, I'm the only person in the world commenting on it :roll:

I didn't say or imply that.


Oh I must have misunderstood, so sorry. I guess it must be the first time all the dozens of journalists covering it have seen civil unrest as well :D As for me, I seen similar looking civil unrest a few times, occurring in 3rd world countries. Btw, there's no need for me to google violent protests. All I've had to do is watch and read the news the last 3 months. But I certainly understand anti-Trump folks for wanting to gloss it over.



Misslizard
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jun 2012
Age: 61
Gender: Female
Posts: 20,550
Location: Aux Arcs

06 Feb 2017, 12:01 pm

EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
According to what I've been told by their apologists, "they're all tainted". "Birds of a feather". Their words.


Yes indeedi! birds of a particular feather do flock together

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.ph ... ump_becau/


The type of sites you browse explains a lot.

That would be true of everyone,even you.
Ever see a Rabbi riding shotgun with a Skinhead?See their families picnicking together?


_________________
I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi


Misslizard
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jun 2012
Age: 61
Gender: Female
Posts: 20,550
Location: Aux Arcs

06 Feb 2017, 12:11 pm

EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I suppose you would complain about the civil rights marches in the sixties,all that shouting and commotion,people getting sprayed by hoses,bitten by dogs,beat down by cops.
I've seen footage of plenty of peaceful people marching,maybe you should stop googling violent protests.
Nothing wrong with protesting at airports,I beleive that was done before when the air traffic controllers went on strike.Nothing wrong with peaceful marches at the Super Bowl,not like it's sacred ground.
None of these actions are actually new,people have done this before.Yet you act like its the first time you have ever seen civil unrest.Oh yeah,it probably is. :D


Oh yeah sure, I'm the only person in the world commenting on it :roll:

I didn't say or imply that.


Oh I must have misunderstood, so sorry. I guess it must be the first time all the dozens of journalists covering it have seen civil unrest as well :D As for me, I seen similar looking civil unrest a few times, occurring in 3rd world countries. Btw, there's no need for me to google violent protests. All I've had to do is watch and read the news the last 3 months. But I certainly understand anti-Trump folks for wanting to gloss it over.

For some time of the younger journalists it very well maybe the first time they have seen a large protest.For the older more experienced ones,I've sure they have seen much,much worse.
I've seen SOME incidents of violent protests on news,but I've seem more incidents of peaceful ones.You must have went to the bathroom,or was outside playing when that was on tv.
No rampage at the Super Bowl despite predictions there would be.
I'm not one for glossing anything over,total free press.


_________________
I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi


EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 27,828
Location: Twin Peaks

06 Feb 2017, 12:11 pm

androbot01 wrote:
b9 wrote:
..and you just waste your time arguing stuff where the underlying principle is you trying to make out you are extremely intelligent.

That's what everybody in PPR does. Rarely is the discussion about the issues, it always degrades to personal grudges and trying to show who is more "intelligent."


It seems to me the difference is there are those who show intellect and those who try to act intellectual.

Also it seems to me that discussions do stay on topic, up to a point. However, by page 15 or wherever this one's at, it kinda tends to digress.



EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 27,828
Location: Twin Peaks

06 Feb 2017, 12:13 pm

Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
According to what I've been told by their apologists, "they're all tainted". "Birds of a feather". Their words.


Yes indeedi! birds of a particular feather do flock together

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.ph ... ump_becau/


The type of sites you browse explains a lot.

That would be true of everyone,even you.
Ever see a Rabbi riding shotgun with a Skinhead?See their families picnicking together?


I've seen SWJ's setting things on fire with anarchists.

Misslizard wrote:
For some time of the younger journalists it very well maybe the first time they have seen a large protest.For the older more experienced ones,I've sure they have seen much,much worse.
I've seen SOME incidents of violent protests on news,but I've seem more incidents of peaceful ones.You must have went to the bathroom,or was outside playing when that was on tv.
No rampage at the Super Bowl despite predictions there would be.
I'm not one for glossing anything over,total free press.


The thing is, rampages are what people have come to expect because of all the past rampages and overall crazy behavior.



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

06 Feb 2017, 12:26 pm

Most people don't rampage.

They come to sites like WP to vent instead.

Most people don't care for the hassle of it all.



Misslizard
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jun 2012
Age: 61
Gender: Female
Posts: 20,550
Location: Aux Arcs

06 Feb 2017, 12:32 pm

Ezra/\How do you know they are SJW's and not just plain old a**holes?Large cities have plenty of street kids that like to break things becuse they are angry,not because of politics.
I'll agree that the extreme SJW can be annoying,especially on "cultural appropriation."
I could care less if a white male has dreadlocks and is wearing a kimono.
People shouldn't judge the whole movement becuse some jerks got out of hand.There was a majority of peaceful protestors,you don't see all that becuse it's more exciting to film and watch a blazing limo.


_________________
I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi


EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 27,828
Location: Twin Peaks

06 Feb 2017, 12:33 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Most people don't rampage.

They come to sites like WP to vent instead.

Most people don't care for the hassle of it all.


Either that or they stay home and send out death threats and Tweet stuff that gets them arrested. Or make videos. I haven't seen much of those, but I hear they're a riot.



EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 27,828
Location: Twin Peaks

06 Feb 2017, 12:35 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Ezra/\How do you know they are SJW's and not just plain old a**holes?Large cities have plenty of street kids that like to break things becuse they are angry,not because of politics.
I'll agree that the extreme SJW can be annoying,especially on "cultural appropriation."
I could care less if a white male has dreadlocks and is wearing a kimono.
People shouldn't judge the whole movement becuse some jerks got out of hand.There was a majority of peaceful protestors,you don't see all that becuse it's more exciting to film and watch a blazing limo.


Symbiosis.



Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 49,751
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

06 Feb 2017, 1:57 pm

Mikah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
There have been plenty of instances in history when refugees never returned home, but remained in the host countries to eventually become just another element among the citizenry. Case in point being the Palatine Germans in the 17th and early 18yh centuries. Fleeing from depravations of the French army that had invaded the south middle Rhine country of Germany, who had burned Protestant towns, and impressed the young men into the French army, the Palatine Germans first fled to England, and from there, many went to Ireland (Stephen Colbert had a Palatine ancestor hearkening back to this era). Others were diverted to America, becoming the Pennsylvania Dutch. Then during the Napoleonic era, the Russian Czar had opened new lands along the Black Sea to Palatine Germans (my ancestors, in fact), some of whom stayed there, even after many of them later left for America when the Russian welcome soured. The Palatine Germans were one such group of refugees who never returned home, and they were hardly the only group to do so.


There are examples of that yes. There are, however, also examples of poorly handled disasters, historical and modern. Why risk hurting the people you are trying to help? Why risk the stability of your nation? Although we haven't yet tasted the true scale of the European refugee disaster-in-progress, but anyone even at this juncture who still thinks Merkel's invitation was smart or moral is irredeemably foolish. Given the risks involved it is always better to err on the side of caution and help refugees in situ and send them home when you can rather than potentially cause an ethnic conflict within your own borders.


I don't know of a case of refugees having it easy in a host country.


_________________
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

06 Feb 2017, 2:27 pm

It's really not an easy thing to be displaced from your home.

I can't imagine what I would do if I, all of a sudden, didn't have a job, and had to flee my home because some a**hole doesn't like my ethnicity/sect.

This is pretty much what happened in places like Aleppo, which used to be a cosmopolitan city like, say, Istanbul.



jrjones9933
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 May 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,144
Location: The end of the northwest passage

06 Feb 2017, 2:42 pm

I've worked with refugees. They tend to be above average, in my experience and based on what I've heard from others. It's easy to see why; they had the sense and skill to get out of a war zone before getting killed.


_________________
"I find that the best way [to increase self-confidence] is to lie to yourself about who you are, what you've done, and where you're going." - Richard Ayoade


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

06 Feb 2017, 2:46 pm

I think the answer is that we have to take care of our national security. We really do.

Yes, there could be "terrorists" among the refugees. And we have to keep track of those who seem to exhibit sympathies in that area. And I believe we've done a really good job at it as it is. We might need "extreme vetting"---but we don't need a ban on refugees.

We must remember that the vast majority of these people are FLEEING terroristic-types. They want a better life for themselves and their children. They are sick of living in crap conditions, with the risk of all sorts of diseases (and somebody ratting on them!) over their heads.



Misslizard
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jun 2012
Age: 61
Gender: Female
Posts: 20,550
Location: Aux Arcs

06 Feb 2017, 3:32 pm

EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Ezra/\How do you know they are SJW's and not just plain old a**holes?Large cities have plenty of street kids that like to break things becuse they are angry,not because of politics.
I'll agree that the extreme SJW can be annoying,especially on "cultural appropriation."
I could care less if a white male has dreadlocks and is wearing a kimono.
People shouldn't judge the whole movement becuse some jerks got out of hand.There was a majority of peaceful protestors,you don't see all that becuse it's more exciting to film and watch a blazing limo.


Symbiosis.

Mutualism,commensalism or parasitism?


_________________
I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi


EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 27,828
Location: Twin Peaks

06 Feb 2017, 8:30 pm

Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Ezra/\How do you know they are SJW's and not just plain old a**holes?Large cities have plenty of street kids that like to break things becuse they are angry,not because of politics.
I'll agree that the extreme SJW can be annoying,especially on "cultural appropriation."
I could care less if a white male has dreadlocks and is wearing a kimono.
People shouldn't judge the whole movement becuse some jerks got out of hand.There was a majority of peaceful protestors,you don't see all that becuse it's more exciting to film and watch a blazing limo.


Symbiosis.

Mutualism,commensalism or parasitism?


A symbiotic relationship occurs when two organisms, individuals or groups of people work together. That is all.