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Is Global warming...
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31 May 2010, 11:15 pm

Considering the melting of ice at the poles, the statistics on the huge increase in CO2, the warming of the oceans and their acidification which is slaughtering huge areas of sea life, the subsequent increase in the occurrence and violence of hurricanes and many other factors including the general consensus of the scientific community, denial of the human contribution to global warming is located somewhat in the perceptual area as a flat Earth.



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31 May 2010, 11:25 pm

Sand wrote:
Considering the melting of ice at the poles, the statistics on the huge increase in CO2, the warming of the oceans and their acidification which is slaughtering huge areas of sea life, the subsequent increase in the occurrence and violence of hurricanes and many other factors including the general consensus of the scientific community, denial of the human contribution to global warming is located somewhat in the perceptual area as a flat Earth.


Volcanoes put more SO2 and H2SO4 into the air than humans. That is the main source of acid rain. Volcanoes have been polluting the air since god invented dirt.

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31 May 2010, 11:27 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
Considering the melting of ice at the poles, the statistics on the huge increase in CO2, the warming of the oceans and their acidification which is slaughtering huge areas of sea life, the subsequent increase in the occurrence and violence of hurricanes and many other factors including the general consensus of the scientific community, denial of the human contribution to global warming is located somewhat in the perceptual area as a flat Earth.


Volcanoes put more SO2 and H2SO4 into the air than humans. That is the main source of acid rain. Volcanoes have been polluting the air since god invented dirt.

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Aah yes. And cow farts. But then, McDonald's does fall within human venue.



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01 Jun 2010, 11:16 am

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
Considering the melting of ice at the poles, the statistics on the huge increase in CO2, the warming of the oceans and their acidification which is slaughtering huge areas of sea life, the subsequent increase in the occurrence and violence of hurricanes and many other factors including the general consensus of the scientific community, denial of the human contribution to global warming is located somewhat in the perceptual area as a flat Earth.


Volcanoes put more SO2 and H2SO4 into the air than humans. That is the main source of acid rain. Volcanoes have been polluting the air since god invented dirt.

ruveyn


Aah yes. And cow farts. But then, McDonald's does fall within human venue.


Termite farts more than cow farts. Volcanoes are the main source of acid rain, but not the main source of CO2.

Humans do not produce methane in large quantities. That is released when oil is extracted. We let methane out, more than we make it. Long before the earth had an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere it had a methane atmosphere.

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01 Jun 2010, 8:38 pm

@ Cloud Walker:
I was responding to this post of yours:

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The fundamental problem of this branch of so-called science is the way they consistently mis-use statistics.


Which I misinterpreted to be a dismissal of statistics in general. Your subsequent posts have shown this not to be true, so I apologize for the misunderstanding and ranting about statistics. However, I reiterate my question: please cite evidence that any significant proportion of the thousands of studies that implicate anthropogenic gasses as the culprit in climate change have mis-used statistics.

@ruvyen:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11638
quote:...claims that volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities are simply not true. In the very distant past, there have been volcanic eruptions so massive that they covered vast areas in lava more than a kilometre thick and appear to have released enough CO2 to warm the planet after the initial cooling caused by the dust (see Wipeout). But even with such gigantic eruptions, most of subsequent warming may have been due to methane released when lava heated coal deposits, rather than from CO2 from the volcanoes...



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02 Jun 2010, 6:53 am

LKL wrote:
@ Cloud Walker:
I was responding to this post of yours:
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The fundamental problem of this branch of so-called science is the way they consistently mis-use statistics.


Which I misinterpreted to be a dismissal of statistics in general. Your subsequent posts have shown this not to be true, so I apologize for the misunderstanding and ranting about statistics. However, I reiterate my question: please cite evidence that any significant proportion of the thousands of studies that implicate anthropogenic gasses as the culprit in climate change have mis-used statistics.

@ruvyen:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11638
quote:...claims that volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities are simply not true. In the very distant past, there have been volcanic eruptions so massive that they covered vast areas in lava more than a kilometre thick and appear to have released enough CO2 to warm the planet after the initial cooling caused by the dust (see Wipeout). But even with such gigantic eruptions, most of subsequent warming may have been due to methane released when lava heated coal deposits, rather than from CO2 from the volcanoes...


I was talking about SO2. What are you talking about?

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03 Jun 2010, 9:49 pm

Ahhh, I just assumed that your post was relevant to a thread about global warming and skipped over the fact that you had switched to (sulfur-based) acidity.

As far as average global temperature goes, sulfates actually cool the planet by reflecting sunlight; one of the proposed geoengineering mitigants for global warming has been to antropogenically inject sulfates into the upper atmosphere.

as far as other gasses, this is a simplistic but accurate summary:
http://www.flickoff.org/book/export/html/179
also:
http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/n ... vels-2008/



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04 Jun 2010, 6:17 am

Burn Baby Burn is cooler to say than Ice Ice Baby.



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04 Jun 2010, 7:54 am

mjs82 wrote:
Burn Baby Burn is cooler to say than Ice Ice Baby.


"Burn" is a verb. Ice is a noun. The proper verb is "freeze".



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04 Jun 2010, 8:14 am

Sand wrote:
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Burn Baby Burn is cooler to say than Ice Ice Baby.


"Burn" is a verb. Ice is a noun. The proper verb is "freeze".


Nice to see your life is filled with more important things than correcting the grammar of strangers on internet forums.

Oh wait - it's not :P