Is it WRONG to own guns, rifles, swords, knives, etc.?
I hardly think it's paranoia considering human history and even current dictatorships that exist today, not to mention all the points i drew about how our system in america is meeting all those same signs to becoming corrupt. Just because it's not full-blown right off the bat means nothing, Hitler did not transform Germany in a day.
Here, read this VEEEERRRRRYYYYY CAAAAAARRRREEEFFFFFUUUUUULLLLLYYYYYYY:
Lets list the things Bush has done that suggests trying to take over America:
1. Stealing the election (dictators usually gain power illegally)
2. Blocking many investigations into 9/11 (probably because Bush was involved, remember, 9/11 was much like Hitler's reichstag incident, it did several things for a police state agenda, it restored blind faith in the system through nationalism, it provided a scapegoat in arabs, it gave us an excuse to highten security which leads to number 3).
3. Patriot Act.
4. Integration of Church in state, which is used to systematically deny the rights of gays and people of other faiths.
5. Launching an illegal war.
Also consider:
1. Both republicans and democrats support big business, Bush gave businesses the rights of people, and now individuals are loosing their rights to corporations.
2. NAFTA made legal immigration very tough for Mexicans, which lead to them migrating here illegally. This is of coarse, hurting our economy, the right thing to do WOULD be to try and help Mexico become more prosperous of a nation, but seeing as the Mexican government encourages their citizens to jump our border so they can send more money back to Mexico, we're not likely to reach that sort of agreement with them. So this only leaves one other option to secure our financial stability as a nation, war.... But, we don't have the economic means to go to war because we're already involved in an illegal one in Iraq. If we pull our troops, there is likely to be a civil war in Iraq and WE would be hit with the bill. If we don't pull our troops, we'll continue funneling more money into this war that we already can't afford. Meanwhile, millions more illegal aliens are jumping our border, further destroying our economy (not because theyr brown but because theyr illegal, for the libs out there)..... So seeing as Mexico likely won't agree to a plan that would benefit both the US and Mexico, we'd likely have to go to war with them, but we don't have the economic means to do so. They are turning America into a 3rd world nation. Remember, Bush is already a millionaire in the oil industry, most of the higher ranking politicians are already filthy rich, they have no concern for our prosperity.
Lets list the things Bush has done that suggests trying to take over America:
1. Stealing the election (dictators usually gain power illegally)
2. Blocking many investigations into 9/11 (probably because Bush was involved, remember, 9/11 was much like Hitler's reichstag incident, it did several things for a police state agenda, it restored blind faith in the system through nationalism, it provided a scapegoat in arabs, it gave us an excuse to highten security which leads to number 3).
3. Patriot Act.
4. Integration of Church in state, which is used to systematically deny the rights of gays and people of other faiths.
5. Launching an illegal war.
Also consider:
1. Both republicans and democrats support big business, Bush gave businesses the rights of people, and now individuals are loosing their rights to corporations.
2. NAFTA made legal immigration very tough for Mexicans, which lead to them migrating here illegally. This is of coarse, hurting our economy, the right thing to do WOULD be to try and help Mexico become more prosperous of a nation, but seeing as the Mexican government encourages their citizens to jump our border so they can send more money back to Mexico, we're not likely to reach that sort of agreement with them. So this only leaves one other option to secure our financial stability as a nation, war.... But, we don't have the economic means to go to war because we're already involved in an illegal one in Iraq. If we pull our troops, there is likely to be a civil war in Iraq and WE would be hit with the bill. If we don't pull our troops, we'll continue funneling more money into this war that we already can't afford. Meanwhile, millions more illegal aliens are jumping our border, further destroying our economy (not because theyr brown but because theyr illegal, for the libs out there)..... So seeing as Mexico likely won't agree to a plan that would benefit both the US and Mexico, we'd likely have to go to war with them, but we don't have the economic means to do so. They are turning America into a 3rd world nation. Remember, Bush is already a millionaire in the oil industry, most of the higher ranking politicians are already filthy rich, they have no concern for our prosperity.
Come on TCO, don't ignore this because you can't counter it. If you can't counter it, then learn from it or shut up... When I can't counter something, I have a tendency to change my stance. This is called being open minded.
Who says I trust him? So, why don't you use your supposed right to bear arms to overthrow him? Do you have a good reason why you cannot?
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Come on TCO, don't ignore this because you can't counter it. If you can't counter it, then learn from it or shut up... When I can't counter something, I have a tendency to change my stance. This is called being open minded.
It is called being an ornery little sod. Taunting people when you claim to have the high ground is dangerous and egotistical.
Open minded is listening to others, not just expressing your viewpoint loudly.
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Come on TCO, don't ignore this because you can't counter it. If you can't counter it, then learn from it or shut up... When I can't counter something, I have a tendency to change my stance. This is called being open minded.
It is called being an ornery little sod. Taunting people when you claim to have the high ground is dangerous and egotistical.
Open minded is listening to others, not just expressing your viewpoint loudly.
I did listen to his view, he had nothing intelligent to offer. He presented no logical facts or points to back his views, whereas I have, and he said he's not interested in my facts.
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This for starters.
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And this
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Pagans are people too, not just victims of a religious cleansing program. Universal harmony for all!!
Karma decides what must happen, and that includes everyone.
Lets list the things Bush has done that suggests trying to take over America:
1. Stealing the election (dictators usually gain power illegally)
2. Blocking many investigations into 9/11 (probably because Bush was involved, remember, 9/11 was much like Hitler's reichstag incident, it did several things for a police state agenda, it restored blind faith in the system through nationalism, it provided a scapegoat in arabs, it gave us an excuse to highten security which leads to number 3).
3. Patriot Act.
4. Integration of Church in state, which is used to systematically deny the rights of gays and people of other faiths.
5. Launching an illegal war.
Also consider:
1. Both republicans and democrats support big business, Bush gave businesses the rights of people, and now individuals are loosing their rights to corporations.
2. NAFTA made legal immigration very tough for Mexicans, which lead to them migrating here illegally. This is of coarse, hurting our economy, the right thing to do WOULD be to try and help Mexico become more prosperous of a nation, but seeing as the Mexican government encourages their citizens to jump our border so they can send more money back to Mexico, we're not likely to reach that sort of agreement with them. So this only leaves one other option to secure our financial stability as a nation, war.... But, we don't have the economic means to go to war because we're already involved in an illegal one in Iraq. If we pull our troops, there is likely to be a civil war in Iraq and WE would be hit with the bill. If we don't pull our troops, we'll continue funneling more money into this war that we already can't afford. Meanwhile, millions more illegal aliens are jumping our border, further destroying our economy (not because theyr brown but because theyr illegal, for the libs out there)..... So seeing as Mexico likely won't agree to a plan that would benefit both the US and Mexico, we'd likely have to go to war with them, but we don't have the economic means to do so. They are turning America into a 3rd world nation. Remember, Bush is already a millionaire in the oil industry, most of the higher ranking politicians are already filthy rich, they have no concern for our prosperity.
Counter this TCO.
You didn't even say anything new, all you did was repeat the same thing from before in different words. Counter my other arguments if you can.
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And this
quote="The_Chosen_One"]Agent80s: All that paperwork is obviously there so that a loon can't just walk onto a firing range and blow up anything they like, then go out after practice and knock off East Fremantle or Subiaco (remember Martin Bryant or Julian Knight, cos I sure do). The original idea with the gun laws, if you'll remember was to ban them outright; but the gun lobby complained that much that they were watered down so that you sporting shooters could still practice your hobby. I personally couldn't give a stuff about whether people were killing themselves off for whatever reason, if they want to be f*ckwits, let them. On the same token I would also prefer to be able to go out any time I felt like it, say around Melbourne, and not have the fear that some ret*d loser is going to blow my head off because he didn't like the footy jumper I was wearing. As I said, guns are meant to kill, and it's the idiots on the end that do the damage. Hey, maybe one way to solve it would be if those idiots turned those guns around 180 degrees and blew their own f*cking heads off. Thin the herds that way, and it would save the expense of taking these imbeciles to court.[/quote]
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Pagans are people too, not just victims of a religious cleansing program. Universal harmony for all!!
Karma decides what must happen, and that includes everyone.
Lets list the things Bush has done that suggests trying to take over America:
1. Stealing the election (dictators usually gain power illegally)
2. Blocking many investigations into 9/11 (probably because Bush was involved, remember, 9/11 was much like Hitler's reichstag incident, it did several things for a police state agenda, it restored blind faith in the system through nationalism, it provided a scapegoat in arabs, it gave us an excuse to highten security which leads to number 3).
3. Patriot Act.
4. Integration of Church in state, which is used to systematically deny the rights of gays and people of other faiths.
5. Launching an illegal war.
Also consider:
1. Both republicans and democrats support big business, Bush gave businesses the rights of people, and now individuals are loosing their rights to corporations.
2. NAFTA made legal immigration very tough for Mexicans, which lead to them migrating here illegally. This is of coarse, hurting our economy, the right thing to do WOULD be to try and help Mexico become more prosperous of a nation, but seeing as the Mexican government encourages their citizens to jump our border so they can send more money back to Mexico, we're not likely to reach that sort of agreement with them. So this only leaves one other option to secure our financial stability as a nation, war.... But, we don't have the economic means to go to war because we're already involved in an illegal one in Iraq. If we pull our troops, there is likely to be a civil war in Iraq and WE would be hit with the bill. If we don't pull our troops, we'll continue funneling more money into this war that we already can't afford. Meanwhile, millions more illegal aliens are jumping our border, further destroying our economy (not because theyr brown but because theyr illegal, for the libs out there)..... So seeing as Mexico likely won't agree to a plan that would benefit both the US and Mexico, we'd likely have to go to war with them, but we don't have the economic means to do so. They are turning America into a 3rd world nation. Remember, Bush is already a millionaire in the oil industry, most of the higher ranking politicians are already filthy rich, they have no concern for our prosperity.
Here it goes again, go ahead OTC, counter it. You can't. Because I've won the argument. Sorry if I'm proving you to be closed minded.
