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24 Sep 2008, 8:41 pm

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Dude seriously, research tribal health and tribal history, you won't find things like AIDS, cancer, ebola, polio, etc, hell not even tooth decay, to be a common occurance... Most of those illnesses were created in labs as a form of population control.... Natural people have much stronger immune systems, they rarely if ever get sick.

I took a course in physical anthro for kicks a few years back. Your point on tooth decay doesn't make any sense. It emerged in many disparate populations quite independently with the introduction of agriculture, and is associated with many diseases and ailments that were caused by farming and animal domestication.

As for the rest of your argument, I'm going to just point out 1) sh***y medicine means sh***y diagnoses ("I think he has an imbalance of the humours") and 2) Cancer is primarily a disease of the elderly, and people had shorter lifespans in the past. People have been getting sick since the dawn of time. Attributing a couple of only recently discovered/documented/evolved diseases to some kind of NWO plot is, to say the least, an incredibly unnecessarily clumsy solution to a not even apparently existent problem.


Cancer is a disease of middle aged people not just elderly people, and the reason for that is because Cancer is a gradual thing.. not sudden. Your immune system gets worse as you get older. And haven't you seen kids with cancer before?.. you have to be kidding..? I knew a kid in elementary school who had cancer..

Linking disease to the NWO plot is not clumsy at all.. snake321 has done more research than you could ever hope to do, and getting all of your information from 'classic' education is the wrong way to go if you want to actually learn some truth in life, otherwise you're just learning what they want you to learn. For any man to have knowledge, you must not rely on authority, and you must have no ego when confronted with new information that challenges all of your pre-conceived notions, because chances are, they are wrong.



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24 Sep 2008, 8:43 pm

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Dude seriously, research tribal health and tribal history, you won't find things like AIDS, cancer, ebola, polio, etc, hell not even tooth decay, to be a common occurance... Most of those illnesses were created in labs as a form of population control.... Natural people have much stronger immune systems, they rarely if ever get sick.

I took a course in physical anthro for kicks a few years back. Your point on tooth decay doesn't make any sense. It emerged in many disparate populations quite independently with the introduction of agriculture, and is associated with many diseases and ailments that were caused by farming and animal domestication.


As for the rest of your argument, I'm going to just point out 1) sh***y medicine means sh***y diagnoses ("I think he has an imbalance of the humours") and 2) Cancer is primarily a disease of the elderly, and people had shorter lifespans in the past. People have been getting sick since the dawn of time. Attributing a couple of only recently discovered/documented/evolved diseases to some kind of NWO plot is, to say the least, an incredibly unnecessarily clumsy solution to a not even apparently existent problem.


Yeah, the key words being "with agriculture and were caused by farming and animal domestication". I said tribal man, not people in civilization.

1. There was no diagnosis dude, none whatsoever, ***before man entered civilization****. There were no mental defects either. So no, there wasn't a sh***y diagnosis, there wasn't a diagnosis period. Pre-civilization tribal man didn't get sick. He had a stronger immune system. Research the Native American cultures prior to the white settlers.
2. Once again I'm talking about pre-civilization tribal people. READ THE POST FIRST... Most people in tribal territories today don't get cancer. People althroughout CIVILIZATION got sick.
3. I've given you proof on several other threads a NWO exists, straight out of their own mouths, TWICE, if your ignoring this your just in denial... Your making a conscious effort to block it out, or your jumping through hoops and grabbing at straws for any crappy rationalization you can convince yourself with. Your not even looking for truth. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with someone who isn't willing to accept anything as evidence.
It's obvious no amount of evidence will ever be good enough for you. Your just so far "above" believing an unpopular theory that your not willing to ever even consider accepting anything as proof.
So I'm not gonna bother arguing with you. I feel bad arguing with you because your a victim (and I mean that in the least patronizing way possible), your mind has been totally raped and i don't feel right arguing with you. There mere fact that your in denial about something that threatens your livelihood proves I am right, you are domesticated, altered, not natural, your self preservation mechanism is stripped out of you.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I've done my homework. But I'm not gonna argue your belief (your belief that everything is peachy keen, nothing's wrong) which is based on pure blind faith dude. We're not gonna see eye to eye. Lets just try to get along. I'm not gonna push the truth on you, if you don't like what I have to say then don't respond to my post here. We can get along fine, I don't wanna be arguing....



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24 Sep 2008, 8:57 pm

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Dude seriously, research tribal health and tribal history, you won't find things like AIDS, cancer, ebola, polio, etc, hell not even tooth decay, to be a common occurance... Most of those illnesses were created in labs as a form of population control.... Natural people have much stronger immune systems, they rarely if ever get sick.

I took a course in physical anthro for kicks a few years back. Your point on tooth decay doesn't make any sense. It emerged in many disparate populations quite independently with the introduction of agriculture, and is associated with many diseases and ailments that were caused by farming and animal domestication.

As for the rest of your argument, I'm going to just point out 1) sh***y medicine means sh***y diagnoses ("I think he has an imbalance of the humours") and 2) Cancer is primarily a disease of the elderly, and people had shorter lifespans in the past. People have been getting sick since the dawn of time. Attributing a couple of only recently discovered/documented/evolved diseases to some kind of NWO plot is, to say the least, an incredibly unnecessarily clumsy solution to a not even apparently existent problem.


Cancer is a disease of middle aged people not just elderly people, and the reason for that is because Cancer is a gradual thing.. not sudden. Your immune system gets worse as you get older. And haven't you seen kids with cancer before?.. you have to be kidding..? I knew a kid in elementary school who had cancer..

The likelihood of cancer is dramatically lower in younger individuals, and much more likely in older. You need to take into account the likelihood of it occuring given other parameters. This is not to say cancer isn't probably more common in modern man due to carcinogens in the environment, but our fear of cancer is a combination of irrational psychology and longer lifespan and the difficulty in treating it. Heart disease is a bigger killer in the industrialized world. Why don't people ever b***h about McDonalds being an NWO conspiracy? Because they're completely irrational and assign personal causes to things based on arbitrary perceptions rather than reality.

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Linking disease to the NWO plot is not clumsy at all.. snake321 has done more research than you could ever hope to do, and getting all of your information from 'classic' education is the wrong way to go if you want to actually learn some truth in life, otherwise you're just learning what they want you to learn. For any man to have knowledge, you must not rely on authority, and you must have no ego when confronted with new information that challenges all of your pre-conceived notions, because chances are, they are wrong.

Shawn, I'm only going to point this out once: starting from the position that the only people who can be right are the people who don't know what they're talking about it is never convincing. Every time I hear a conspiracy theorist talk about something pertaining to a field I have sufficient experience in to know what's true to some degree based on my own experience, I find they're full of it. Researching things on your own is a great way to be epically wrong without anyone to ever bring you back down to earth.

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1. There was no diagnosis dude, none whatsoever, ***before man entered civilization****. There were no mental defects either. So no, there wasn't a sh***y diagnosis, there wasn't a diagnosis period. Pre-civilization tribal man didn't get sick. He had a stronger immune system. Research the Native American cultures prior to the white settlers.

Evidence please? The reason Native Americans got so horribly sick when Europeans settled America was due to the fact that Europeans have natural immunities to diseases that didn't exist in pre-Columbian America. I would prefer to hear a qualified physical anthropologist (or, preferably, many) who say that no one ever got sick. Even if they didn't, this implies nothing about an NWO conspiracy because of the smaller tribes, and paucity of contact between tribes limiting the possible transmission of diseases. The epidemiological factors were completely different in tribal society. The NWO wouldn't need to have sprung forth fully formed with the ability to engineer diseases, merely introducing civilization would get the job done.

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2. Once again I'm talking about pre-civilization tribal people. READ THE POST FIRST... Most people in tribal territories today don't get cancer. People althroughout CIVILIZATION got sick.

Except that there are plenty of plausible explanations which describe why this works. I read your post. I was unimpressed.


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24 Sep 2008, 9:02 pm

I remember seeing pictures of hunter and gatherers in Africa brushing their teeth with ash from a fire and just their finger.
They had such beautiful teeth too.
http://www.familiesfornaturalliving.org ... tObjId=156

Diseases became widespread because of agriculture, specifically cattle.


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24 Sep 2008, 9:04 pm

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I remember seeing pictures of hunter and gatherers in Africa brushing their teeth with ash from a fire and just their finger.
They had such beautiful teeth too.
http://www.familiesfornaturalliving.org ... tObjId=156

Yes, the deterioration in health after the initial introduction of agriculture is almost enough to make me conclude someone got completely duped somewhere :lol:


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24 Sep 2008, 9:04 pm

I've given you two clips of people ADMITTING to this, ADMITTING it, they confessed dude, if you were a detective you'd be fired. It's obvious no amount of evidence will ever be good enough for you. Your just so far "above" believing an unpopular theory that your not willing to ever even consider accepting anything as proof.
So I'm not gonna bother arguing with you. I feel bad arguing with you because your a victim (and I mean that in the least patronizing way possible), your mind has been totally raped and i don't feel right arguing with you. There mere fact that your in denial about something that threatens your livelihood proves I am right, you are domesticated, altered, not natural, your self preservation mechanism is stripped out of you.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I've done my homework. But I'm not gonna argue your belief (your belief that everything is peachy keen, nothing's wrong) which is based on pure blind faith dude. We're not gonna see eye to eye. Lets just try to get along. I'm not gonna push the truth on you, if you don't like what I have to say then don't respond to my post here. We can get along fine, I don't wanna be arguing.... I'm trying to tolerate your point of view, by not hearing it. Because your not willing to accept anything as proof.



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24 Sep 2008, 9:05 pm

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Source code please.
Here is a simple database macro. Piece of piss.


You're absolutely right: a huge, ugly, Visual Basic program, that doesn't even do anything cool like vector search. Maybe you're unfamiliar with the opinion that most computer scientists and engineers have of Visual Basic. 'Cock vomit' would be too generous. Roll out some Lisp, Haskell, hell even Python and I might give a s**t.

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Exactly. Science is overated.


...he said, on the DARPA Internet. DO go on...

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All you have to do to make it in science is to say what everybody else says and you become a scientists or a university lecturer. If you are a scientist and discover something new or develop a new hypothesis or theory then, either you get pushed aside and are only wheeled out at photo-shoots and TV appearances or you become one of the 'elite' and you become some sort of sage and get wheeled out at conventions to be reffered to regarding science matters. When you are not doing those things then you are kept in a box, where you spend time writing books about how much you hate everything that is not science and everbody who is not a scientist.


Why is this common opinion in the US and Western Europe?

Looks like we've gotten spoiled by our own success.

To be quite honest, I'm glad China is going to be the new 800-lb. gorilla on the block. They earned it.

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Right, I can see why I would be jealous of somebody who can't understand plain simple English and explodes every time someone says something they think is wrong and somehow believes that they have all knowledge and understanding of everything. Take your overbloated head out of your arse and then maybe your previous arrogant blindness will disspate and be absolved.


Stop writing like H.P. Lovecraft and I'll listen to what you have to say about arrogance and bloviating, 'k, sweetie?

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Answer it yourself lazy, after all you are supposed to be an "expert".


I did. Thank you for admitting your inferiority though.

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A name is not a race and unless it is their real name, then still, no.


'Pattaraporn' is an altogether common name.

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Although, for the record, I was not deliberately being racist, so sorry for that.


You were culturally insensitive as hell.

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I don't feel aggravated, I'm too busy laughing at you. I don't think laughing about it to other people counts as whining... or caring.


Yeah, I didn't even mention this to anyone else. I didn't need to. You probably cried yourself to sleep, you bed-wetter

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Says the guy who can't understand English.


I work as a tutor in the school's English as a Second Language dept and I do it very well tyvm.

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I don't think spending time reading the Origin of Species and other such books counts as, spending time on /b/, which I do not even do anyway.


  • Male
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Ergo, /b/tard

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No, you just know how to write mathematical proof. Other than that you have no clue of what the words proof, prove or proven mean.


Bwa ha ha ha, contradiction in terms.


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24 Sep 2008, 9:09 pm

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I've given you two clips of people ADMITTING to this, ADMITTING it, they confessed dude, if you were a detective you'd be fired. It's obvious no amount of evidence will ever be good enough for you. Your just so far "above" believing an unpopular theory that your not willing to ever even consider accepting anything as proof.

I'm really the leader of the NWO and all of this is a double conspiracy to keep you from seeing what we're really up to.

Holy crap, a confession.

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So I'm not gonna bother arguing with you. I feel bad arguing with you because your a victim (and I mean that in the least patronizing way possible), your mind has been totally raped and i don't feel right arguing with you. There mere fact that your in denial about something that threatens your livelihood proves I am right, you are domesticated, altered, not natural, your self preservation mechanism is stripped out of you.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I've done my homework. But I'm not gonna argue your belief (your belief that everything is peachy keen, nothing's wrong) which is based on pure blind faith dude. We're not gonna see eye to eye. Lets just try to get along. I'm not gonna push the truth on you, if you don't like what I have to say then don't respond to my post here. We can get along fine, I don't wanna be arguing....

Spare me the talk about my mind being "raped". I am as pure as a newborn child. Because I can have paranoid breakdowns too. :wtg:


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24 Sep 2008, 9:15 pm

This is taken from Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel.

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There are at least three sets of reasons to explain the findings that agriculture was bad for health. First, hunter-gatherers enjoyed a varied diet, while early fanners obtained most of their food from one or a few starchy crops. The farmers gained cheap calories at the cost of poor nutrition, (today just three high-carbohydrate plants -- wheat, rice, and corn -- provide the bulk of the calories consumed by the human species, yet each one is deficient in certain vitamins or amino acids essential to life.) Second, because of dependence on a limited number of crops, farmers ran the risk of starvation if one crop failed. Finally, the mere fact that agriculture encouraged people to clump together in crowded societies, many of which then carried on trade with other crowded societies, led to the spread of parasites and infectious disease. (Some archaeologists think it was the crowding, rather than agriculture, that promoted disease, but this is a chicken-and-egg argument, because crowding encourages agriculture and vice versa.) Epidemics couldn't take hold when populations were scattered in small bands that constantly shifted camp. Tuberculosis and diarrheal disease had to await the rise of farming, measles and bubonic plague the appearnce of large cities.


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24 Sep 2008, 9:17 pm

^Indeed.


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The likelihood of cancer is dramatically lower in younger individuals, and much more likely in older. You need to take into account the likelihood of it occuring given other parameters. This is not to say cancer isn't probably more common in modern man due to carcinogens in the environment, but our fear of cancer is a combination of irrational psychology and longer lifespan and the difficulty in treating it. Heart disease is a bigger killer in the industrialized world. Why don't people ever b***h about McDonalds being an NWO conspiracy? Because they're completely irrational and assign personal causes to things based on arbitrary perceptions rather than reality.


McDonalds is a f*****g fast food joint, of course it's part of the godamn conspiracy.. All fast food joints are a part of it. Sheesh.. it's not talked about because its fairly obvious... but yes, McDonalds is bad..



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24 Sep 2008, 9:34 pm

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This is taken from Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel.

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There are at least three sets of reasons to explain the findings that agriculture was bad for health. First, hunter-gatherers enjoyed a varied diet, while early fanners obtained most of their food from one or a few starchy crops. The farmers gained cheap calories at the cost of poor nutrition, (today just three high-carbohydrate plants -- wheat, rice, and corn -- provide the bulk of the calories consumed by the human species, yet each one is deficient in certain vitamins or amino acids essential to life.) Second, because of dependence on a limited number of crops, farmers ran the risk of starvation if one crop failed. Finally, the mere fact that agriculture encouraged people to clump together in crowded societies, many of which then carried on trade with other crowded societies, led to the spread of parasites and infectious disease. (Some archaeologists think it was the crowding, rather than agriculture, that promoted disease, but this is a chicken-and-egg argument, because crowding encourages agriculture and vice versa.) Epidemics couldn't take hold when populations were scattered in small bands that constantly shifted camp. Tuberculosis and diarrheal disease had to await the rise of farming, measles and bubonic plague the appearnce of large cities.


That doesn't explain where the diseases came from, it just said diseases spread from overcrowded places... that doesn't really make any sense.. it says mal-nutrition caused disease and parasites, basically.. it sounds like someone trying to write an explanation for something that they know isn't true.. there is no reason for disease.. animals didn't have disease before civilization, and neither did people... where did it come from?



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24 Sep 2008, 9:37 pm

The Book "Emerging Viruses: Aids and Ebola" - Leonard G. Horowitz is excellent also

The Book " behold a pale horse" by william cooper has a few very
informative sections to boot.

Im sure there is way more information out there as well so Please by all means do some research.

If you want facts they are out there. Where are the facts to back up the whole monkey theory? I encourage you to compare that anthill of lies to the mountain of evidence.

Heres the deal: Its all about population control. That has always been the predicted way that the world will go down the toilet. So a council (henry kissinger was one of the main bastards behind it) got together and formed a plan to control the population. There are MANY facets to this plan already in effect. AIDS is JUST ONE of them.
Anyway ... here we go(these are ((just a tiny few)) facts): Aids was non-existent in africa prior to 1975. Had the AIDS virus come from a monkey the rural pygmy populations of africa would have had a higher incidence of AIDS than the countries urban population. This was not the case. Aids SIMALTANEOUSLY broke out in Africa and Central New York. Aids was transmitted through Hepatitis B vaccinations (conducted by the CDC) given in New York , San Francisco and four other major cities- november '78 to October '79 and March '80 to october '81 Dr. Wolf Szmuness was purportedly the mastermind behind that. In 1969 the united states department of defense requested and got 10 million dollars to produce a synthetic biological agent, an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired. Within 6 years it was developed and within 10 distributed as previously mentioned. Dont believe me? Funding was obtained from the U.S. Congress under H.B. 15090 - look it up!! !!. I could go on but its getting late.Oh yea merck was involved and/or in the know and is now making ridiculous money on treatment. The cure was develeoped along with the disease. I've given you more than enough to go on so even if you think im a nut.



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24 Sep 2008, 9:41 pm

^ Yes, I remember writing about that once..



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24 Sep 2008, 9:42 pm

I'm done posting here, I'll keep an eye out for people who actually care about what is true and what isn't.