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Heh, with all the stuff going on in the USA, sometimes i wonder if they'll still be there in 50 years. <.<

The little people get screwed. It has always been so and likely always will. But that's no excuse to support it. Anyway, this is an issue that has already been decided. It was decided before it was ever put on the table.

I know that answer....NO....at least, not in any way we would want to envision...a shallow version of what it used to be.

There are limits to shallowness.

The U.S. has been shallow since 1775.

ruveyn

Need more people in the cotton fields.

The secular religion of the U.S. is individualism. Which makes our Nation one-deep and that is rather shallow. In our True Hearts we Americans only give a damn about ourselves and our own.

Bless America! My kind of people.

ruveyn

Not true. America gives more money than ANY OTHER NATION to other nations in need. The American people give more of their substance in times of crisis to total strangers around the world than any other nations does.

We don't mind giving...we don't like giving at gunpoint. There is a difference.

Speak for yourself. I, for one, am not a selfish, greedy individual.

This analysis of US foreign aid is instructive.

http://www.moyak.com/papers/foreign-aid-overseas.html

Both of you are wrong. We are not the most generous nation by far (as Sand has pointed out), nor do we care for our own citizens in time of crisis. I was completely horrified watching the Katrina disaster unfold. Over 1600 people suffered a horrible death, many of which died as a result of the aftermath - not the storm itself. Bodies were laying in the streets for days, weeks, and even months after the storm. The rest of the world was watching too. Shame on us!

Nice red herring....



So the report has a bias that the USA is bad because our giving is the least of our GDP but we still give more than any other nation.

We could give ZERO. Typical socialist mindwash that you must give X percent or you're not doing your part. When has the UN (or any other nation) done ANYTHING to build the USA's GDP? I hear crickets chirping in response.

We make our own wealth, we get to decide how it is spent...not the UN.

In addition, the suffering of KATRINA was largely the GOVERNMENT interfering, not the lack of Americans trying to help. Aid trucks were turned away in droves. Local authorities had to confront government security contractors AT GUNPOINT to keep them from DISCONNECTING vital services and infrastructure needed for survival.

Fault the government for being cocked up, but not the people for not being there offering aid and supplies in a time of crisis.

Funny that you should mention Katrina, i recently saw a document regarding the whole event on the National Geographic HD not too long ago. <.< I also heard they fired FEMA's director because of his incompetence. And it's kinda sad to say, but it's a military official that got most of the job done on the field (coordination, etc).

Oh and, unrelated to Katrina, i once saw a case about a non-lucrative organization in the USA that usually goes overseas to cure people that can't afford health cares (like, dentists and other specialists are giving some of their time freely) only this time, they said they had to help people from the US.... o.O A small secluded village was calling for help. The spokesperson said it was kinda sad that they had to take care of their own people first instead of being able to go overseas to help those that are truly need... =/

What is greedy?

We are all selfish. If we stop being selfish, we will not last very long alive. The fact that we eat when we are hungry and drink when we are thirsty is an indication of our selfishness. Our first order of business is to stay alive and survive.

ruveyn

The problem with any of these necessary and instinctive drives is knowing what their proper limits should be. There are other instinctive drives in herd animals (such as cows, ants, humans, duck, etc.) which limit individual self preservation drives in favor of the benefits of group existence. Some poor demented members of the herd never comprehend to accept these necessary limitations.

One man's "necessity" is another man's tyranny.

Since one cannot derive the principles of morality from physical law, it is clear that morality is opinion and social convention.

ruveyn