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21 Oct 2011, 2:38 pm

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@Gedrene, i hate to break it to you but you are a conservative.

How am I 'conservative' exactly? Or are you just banking on a Just so fallacy being good enough?
They are kicking you out because you are pro-life. All I have to say is welcome to the Republican Party.


Quiet. There are democrats against abortion for a start. Second, I'm not going to listen to the 'just so' ramblings of some nut who thinks he can label me and get away with it.


No, there really aren't any Democrats in the Federal Government anymore that are pro-life, they showed that when they all voted for Obamacare using that phony promise of an executive order that can be changed at the whim of any President.



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21 Oct 2011, 3:56 pm

Without Obamacare people will die from lack of health care.



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21 Oct 2011, 4:13 pm

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Without Obamacare people will die from lack of health care.


Actually I would argue Obamacare is going to cause people to die from lack of health care.



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21 Oct 2011, 4:26 pm

Sorry Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge right winger. Try letting a poor person go to an emergency room without health insurance and ask them to do a colonoscopy and see how fast he gets thrown out. Of course when the colon cancer is finally detected years later it will be too late and that poor person will die thanks to all these hypocritical Pro-life right wingers.



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21 Oct 2011, 4:33 pm

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Sorry Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge right winger.


BAH! Humbug


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21 Oct 2011, 4:38 pm

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Sorry Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge right winger. Try letting a poor person go to an emergency room without health insurance and ask them to do a colonoscopy and see how fast he gets thrown out. Of course when the colon cancer is finally detected years later it will be too late and that poor person will die thanks to all these hypocritical Pro-life right wingers.


You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.

So, if you ask me, do I want some Washington bureaucrat to create a class action decision which affects every American’s last two years of life, not ever. I think it is a disaster. I think, candidly, Governor Palin got attacked unfairly for describing what would, in effect, be death panels.

And what von Eschenbach will tell you if you call him is, the decision to suggest that we not test men with PSA will mean that a number of people who do not have — who are susceptible to a very rapid prostate cancer will die unnecessarily. And there was not a single urologist, not a single specialist on the board that looked at it. So, I am opposed to class intervention for these things.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx



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21 Oct 2011, 5:14 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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@Gedrene, i hate to break it to you but you are a conservative.

How am I 'conservative' exactly? Or are you just banking on a Just so fallacy being good enough?
They are kicking you out because you are pro-life. All I have to say is welcome to the Republican Party.


Quiet. There are democrats against abortion for a start. Second, I'm not going to listen to the 'just so' ramblings of some nut who thinks he can label me and get away with it.


No, there really aren't any Democrats in the Federal Government anymore that are pro-life, they showed that when they all voted for Obamacare using that phony promise of an executive order that can be changed at the whim of any President.


Okay, why is it that you have such an obsession with portraying certain groups of people as bad just because they didn't do something you agreed with? Why the supposition about one's intentions? Why the outright lies? Why say, to be honest, that there are no pro-life Democrats when there are?

A person who judges people solely by the bunch is a fool.



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21 Oct 2011, 5:17 pm

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You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


What? Could someone actually make sense of this? A policy is suggested and an outcome is said, but nobody actually says how this occurs. There's no logic. It's fale belief.



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21 Oct 2011, 5:20 pm

Gedrene wrote:
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You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


What? Could someone actually make sense of this? A policy is suggested and an outcome is said, but nobody actually says how this occurs. There's no logic. It's fale belief.


You left out two paragraphs:

Quote:
NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.

So, if you ask me, do I want some Washington bureaucrat to create a class action decision which affects every American’s last two years of life, not ever. I think it is a disaster. I think, candidly, Governor Palin got attacked unfairly for describing what would, in effect, be death panels.

And what von Eschenbach will tell you if you call him is, the decision to suggest that we not test men with PSA will mean that a number of people who do not have — who are susceptible to a very rapid prostate cancer will die unnecessarily. And there was not a single urologist, not a single specialist on the board that looked at it. So, I am opposed to class intervention for these things.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx



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21 Oct 2011, 5:23 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


What? Could someone actually make sense of this? A policy is suggested and an outcome is said, but nobody actually says how this occurs. There's no logic. It's fale belief.


You left out two paragraphs:

Quote:
NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.

So, if you ask me, do I want some Washington bureaucrat to create a class action decision which affects every American’s last two years of life, not ever. I think it is a disaster. I think, candidly, Governor Palin got attacked unfairly for describing what would, in effect, be death panels.

And what von Eschenbach will tell you if you call him is, the decision to suggest that we not test men with PSA will mean that a number of people who do not have — who are susceptible to a very rapid prostate cancer will die unnecessarily. And there was not a single urologist, not a single specialist on the board that looked at it. So, I am opposed to class intervention for these things.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


And thus I will reiterate my point. There's a policy mentioned, an outcome stated and then it's just loads and loads of Argumentum ad verecundiam.



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21 Oct 2011, 5:29 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


What? Could someone actually make sense of this? A policy is suggested and an outcome is said, but nobody actually says how this occurs. There's no logic. It's fale belief.


You left out two paragraphs:

Quote:
NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.

So, if you ask me, do I want some Washington bureaucrat to create a class action decision which affects every American’s last two years of life, not ever. I think it is a disaster. I think, candidly, Governor Palin got attacked unfairly for describing what would, in effect, be death panels.

And what von Eschenbach will tell you if you call him is, the decision to suggest that we not test men with PSA will mean that a number of people who do not have — who are susceptible to a very rapid prostate cancer will die unnecessarily. And there was not a single urologist, not a single specialist on the board that looked at it. So, I am opposed to class intervention for these things.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


And thus I will reiterate my point. There's a policy mentioned, an outcome stated and then it's just loads and loads of Argumentum ad verecundiam.


How about you look up what a urologist is, cause that kinda shows the argument is a valid one.



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21 Oct 2011, 5:38 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


What? Could someone actually make sense of this? A policy is suggested and an outcome is said, but nobody actually says how this occurs. There's no logic. It's fale belief.


You left out two paragraphs:

Quote:
NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.

So, if you ask me, do I want some Washington bureaucrat to create a class action decision which affects every American’s last two years of life, not ever. I think it is a disaster. I think, candidly, Governor Palin got attacked unfairly for describing what would, in effect, be death panels.

And what von Eschenbach will tell you if you call him is, the decision to suggest that we not test men with PSA will mean that a number of people who do not have — who are susceptible to a very rapid prostate cancer will die unnecessarily. And there was not a single urologist, not a single specialist on the board that looked at it. So, I am opposed to class intervention for these things.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


And thus I will reiterate my point. There's a policy mentioned, an outcome stated and then it's just loads and loads of Argumentum ad verecundiam.


How about you look up what a urologist is, cause that kinda shows the argument is a valid one.


Argumentum ad verecundiam. Look it up. Also give me a source that explains why the policy fails rather than saying that it fails.



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21 Oct 2011, 5:47 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


What? Could someone actually make sense of this? A policy is suggested and an outcome is said, but nobody actually says how this occurs. There's no logic. It's fale belief.


You left out two paragraphs:

Quote:
NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.

So, if you ask me, do I want some Washington bureaucrat to create a class action decision which affects every American’s last two years of life, not ever. I think it is a disaster. I think, candidly, Governor Palin got attacked unfairly for describing what would, in effect, be death panels.

And what von Eschenbach will tell you if you call him is, the decision to suggest that we not test men with PSA will mean that a number of people who do not have — who are susceptible to a very rapid prostate cancer will die unnecessarily. And there was not a single urologist, not a single specialist on the board that looked at it. So, I am opposed to class intervention for these things.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx


And thus I will reiterate my point. There's a policy mentioned, an outcome stated and then it's just loads and loads of Argumentum ad verecundiam.


How about you look up what a urologist is, cause that kinda shows the argument is a valid one.


Argumentum ad verecundiam. Look it up. Also give me a source that explains why the policy fails rather than saying that it fails.


Basic common sense shows why it fails.



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21 Oct 2011, 6:46 pm

i would argue it borders between ipse dixit and A,a,v.


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21 Oct 2011, 6:47 pm

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Sorry Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge right winger. Try letting a poor person go to an emergency room without health insurance and ask them to do a colonoscopy and see how fast he gets thrown out. Of course when the colon cancer is finally detected years later it will be too late and that poor person will die thanks to all these hypocritical Pro-life right wingers.


You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.

So, if you ask me, do I want some Washington bureaucrat to create a class action decision which affects every American’s last two years of life, not ever. I think it is a disaster. I think, candidly, Governor Palin got attacked unfairly for describing what would, in effect, be death panels.

And what von Eschenbach will tell you if you call him is, the decision to suggest that we not test men with PSA will mean that a number of people who do not have — who are susceptible to a very rapid prostate cancer will die unnecessarily. And there was not a single urologist, not a single specialist on the board that looked at it. So, I am opposed to class intervention for these things.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx

Some people might die if PSA screening is reduced, true; what he's not saying is that for every one who dies, a hundred will be spared an unnecessary surgery that rendered them impotent.



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21 Oct 2011, 9:58 pm

LKL wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Sorry Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge right winger. Try letting a poor person go to an emergency room without health insurance and ask them to do a colonoscopy and see how fast he gets thrown out. Of course when the colon cancer is finally detected years later it will be too late and that poor person will die thanks to all these hypocritical Pro-life right wingers.


You do realize your example fails because the Obamacare panel...

NEWT GINGRICH: I am really glad you asked that, because I was just swapping e-mails today with Andy von Eschenbach, who was the head of the National Cancer Institute, the head of the Food & Drug Administration. But before that, he was the provost M.D. Anderson, the largest cancer treatment center in the world. And he wrote me to point out that the most recent U.S. government intervention on whether or not to have prostate testing is basically going to kill people.

So, if you ask me, do I want some Washington bureaucrat to create a class action decision which affects every American’s last two years of life, not ever. I think it is a disaster. I think, candidly, Governor Palin got attacked unfairly for describing what would, in effect, be death panels.

WHO YOU CALLING UNCLE TOM
And what von Eschenbach will tell you if you call him is, the decision to suggest that we not test men with PSA will mean that a number of people who do not have — who are susceptible to a very rapid prostate cancer will die unnecessarily. And there was not a single urologist, not a single specialist on the board that looked at it. So, I am opposed to class intervention for these things.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multime ... forts.aspx

Some people might die if PSA screening is reduced, true; what he's not saying is that for every one who dies, a hundred will be spared an unnecessary surgery that rendered them impotent.