School shooting in CT

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And if they're packing heat in a gun free zone that could land them in jail and off of the payroll.

This is disturbing reading.
http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8581835 ... adam-lanza

What on Earth did she think was going to happen to a child like that when he grew up? Why did she not get help when things started to seem not right?

thats what i was saying,any concesion of liberty will just lead to more.pricisely my point

yea,no da

many many teachers today would chose jail over the morge

Sigh......
I give up. You say one thing, I call you on it, then you deny it even when it's on the same page of this thread.
Happy trails...

what im trying to say is your misinterperiting my statements.
i have sais again and again i dont support a asault weapons ban like the one purposed by diane feinstein that obama says he would sign into law and i have never wavered on that

i think she went and got help and then thought she did not have to look deeper.
i think we are looking at her judgement calls, and we know she was too close to
her son to see things objectively even if she was a very caring mother. we are all
second guessing a tragedy and we are thinking how it could have been prevented.

he had a very large amount of bullets on him as he went suicidal.
had the early responders not entered the building, i feel he could
have kept on shooting. upon concidering that many of his victims
have multiple wounds, and he was reloading often, like where did
he get those clips of bullets? it may be difficult to take all the older
makes and models of many firearms off of the streets but at least you
can limit access to ammo, also. he managed to have more ammunition
than his own mother would have used on a shooting range over a year.

Oh and now we have the pro-gun's favourite bad-guy stereotype come out of the box. Can't you stick to the point that's being addressed here? You see, when you mention Israel and terrorists, just who as are the terrorists exactly?
Would you call Lanza a terrorist?



So from one snapshot image, you've decided the teacher is mentally stable enough to protect them. I don't. All I see is an individual, supposedly a teacher, carrying a rifle - armed/unarmed (regardless, the sight of a gun can/is used as a control measure and that is abusing those children that this individual is supposedly protecting) near children in an outdoor location, supposedly Israel.



How? How exactly? The fact that when I see a gun near children, I worry for the children because of the gun?
Guns kill Children. Ban them. All of them. Now.

No, I think I know what the point is.
Israel and terrorism is a sensitive topic for you, eh?
Or is it that you believe the Israelis are the terrorists? Probably so from your rhetoric so far....
For all practical purposes we can call Lanza a terrorist but I'm not going to split hairs over it.




The person that posted that image somewhere else said it was in Israel. I saw no reason so doubt it but then again I don't have issues with Israel.
And it's a carbine, not a rifle, but you wouldn't have a clue. I also noticed that the sling is a makeshift sling made from a weapon sling (or strapping material) and 550 para-cord at the attach point which is somewhat of an IDF practice. Thats one of the things that adds an Israeli twist to it.
Aside from that I see an M1 carbine slung in a muzzle down postilion behind the teacher's back with a purse hanging from her right hand. Hardly menacing or threatening to those kids by any rational standard. Or are you going to say that the purse is actually a satchel charge next?

Hmmmm, in my experience when a kid sees a gun they ask "can I shoot it???".
Must suck to live in a country where everyone is so cowed.




How exactly? By denying those who would protect those kids or any other kids from taking positive measure to do so.
It takes a shooter to neutralize a shooter, not sunshine and love.
You either take out the threat or you allow them to carry on and have few dozen dead.
Really, it's not rocket science...

Nobody's defending guns over the right to live, but consider this: If there had been someone at the school who had a gun and was trained to use it properly, the shooter may have been the only one who died in that school that day... No politician wants to implement gun control with safety in mind, and anyone who does is a goddamn fool. Guns are inanimate objects and are incapable of acting on their own. It's the PEOPLE who are bad. And taking guns away from everybody doesn't stop the bad people from getting them. Drugs are illegal, yet I'm sure I could find just about any illegal drug I want right now if I were so inclined. You think I can't get a gun too? All gun control does is disarm lawful citizens.

I'm not about to suggest that EVERYONE should be packing heat, but take a look at some statistics, and you might learn that Vermont, which has some of the loosest gun laws in the country also has some of the lowest crime rates. if you were a rapist/mugger/robber, would you target people who you either know have guns or might have guns, OR would you go after people you are absolutely sure don't have them? Guaranteed you'd go for the latter because it helps to ensure your safety and ability to do whatever crime you're trying to commit. Stop with this gun control nonsense. Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin... They all loved gun control too, and look at what they did to their people after disarming them. You're a naive fool if you think that s**t won't ever happen again.

On a side note, a chinese man stabbed like 30 people the same exact day, so yeah, go ahead, take guns away. It won't change a damn thing. People will just kill each other in other ways then. They've been doing it since people existed just fine without guns. Guns are a fairly recent invention.

If you don't have guns all over the place and available to maniacs then you don't a shooter in the first place. Problem solved.

Just like you wouldn't have traffic accidents if you got rid of all the cars. Look at the stats of countries that have banned guns, the violent crime tends to shift around a bit, but it doesn't actually go down. We're also talking hundreds of millions of guns here, the vast majority if which are never misused, which won't just go away. How does the quote go? "Whenever there's a shooting certain people rush to take the guns of everyone who didn't do it", or something to that effect.

May I suggest her view of what help she was offered and what her sense of what help should be were the problem. AND then there is the issue of funding and resource yadda yadda.

My guess is she has spent her life and likely her marriage doing the best she could with her materanl protective hormons. That is what keeps the human race going! I am a mother too and see things from that view point.


The above new story speaks of Adams ability to what they call feel?
Could anyone else please speak about this issue of NOT feeling/sensing (?).

Physical sense is where most of my jumbled wires got wired, I am on the other end of the scale from non 'feeling'. and was truely relieved to learn about my AS and that health problems probly weren't health problems, I was OK just very high on the curve of experience. My self image really changed and anxiety lessened.

I somewhat understand inflicting pain to 'cause' pain as my husband self harms (when melted in flustration) and he says he seems to 'want hurt' to equalize internal with external.

Could someone educate me about low (?) sensory??

Spock Daughter

Duh
We already HAVE guns. Banning them, and it's not gonna happen, would only mean we won't be able to buy more LEGALLY.

I'm not gonna take sides on this, but I can't believe I haven't seen this posted yet:

There is a certain logic to it.