why such huge veneration of science?

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@aghogday

Yeah, I agree that it's probably in many cases not worthwhile to judge a book by its cover. But in the case with Matisyahu and his change of music genre and clothing style, I read somewhere he himself saying that it was because he had seen the light or something like that.

This Christian paradigm, which is how I currently view it, is something I feel an instinctive skepticism towards. I have no problem whatsoever to see how Catholicism sliding into Protestantism would keep sliding into rave clubs and beyond. And as of now that's not my cup of tea. I won't elaborate on my personal theorizing around this anymore here because that's got little to do with science, one might think, although there is a connection.

i agee..:)

I like Jung, especially the archetypes, the animus and anima.

Yes.. i definitely agree too.. :)

so much awesome.
now my stomach hurts.

I concur.

Trust me, it's even funnier AND MORE AWESOME, AS REPORTED BY literally hundreds of others, when an FBI/MILITARY/ LAW Enforcement Agent LOOKING Poker FACE 232LB muscular dude does it in shorts and T-shirt in the middle of the Winter and GETS AWAY WITH IT EVERY TIME BY THE SKIN OF his wit.

It's the humor of incongruence AT ITS BEST.

Particularly in a 'Footloose' TOWN LIKE MINE.

THE CITY of Pensacola where I often do this, is assessed as the WORST PLACE IN THE U.S. to get away with 'HIPSTER STUFF' anywhere in the United States of America, per the so-called land of THE brave and free.

http://mic.com/articles/76309/if-you-can-t-stand-hipsters-these-11-cities-are-for-you

And truly without the prowess of a pro-athlete someone would have probably beat the crap out of me, by now, if they are HA ha! brave enough to do it.

Freedom is not free!

But it dam SURE RULES WHEN one finds a way to do IT and AND gets away with it SCOTT FREE ('BraveHeart' Reference)!

AND no, I'm not Scottish but close enough with Northern European and American Indian totally FREE HERITAGE!

And haha! SOME people think they can break my spirit with their silly little words of personal attack here.

They 'AIN'T SEEN NOTHING' OF THE REAL FRED IN REAL LIFE NOW.

NOR WOULD THEY dare to do it, IF THE 'REDNECKS' in PF (Pensacola FL) AT 300LBS ARE TOO SCARED TO do IT NOW, IN REAL LIFE among thousands of flesh and blood humans now, I dance with or WITHOUT, almost everyday, in the general public as such, TO AN average of around 8 miles a day, when I go dancing 'with' them.

Yes! I continue to PERFECT THE PRACTICE OF THE SCIENCE, yes science, per 'wRite' on TOPIC here, OF HUMAN ART FREEDOM AS heART NOW.

NAH, NOT JUST IN WORDS; IN THE REAL DANCE AND SONG WALK OF LIFE!..

@aghogday

Did you not experience any benefits at all during that period when you had little emotion? Because I have experienced advantages of having less emotion. Also, you seem to equate low emotion and low empathy to having a dead soul, I'm not sure that's an accurate conclusion. That video is quite appropriate in this thread for several reasons now that I think about it. Anyway, I could discuss tons of things about this, but a) it's not the topic of the thread and b) your mind is made up, you have found your heaven and whatnot, so that's all that matters to you now it seems, thus no point discussing it really.

Yes, I think the video is appropriate and on topic.

And yes, of course there was an advantage of not experiencing emotion, as I left the emotion of illusory fear behind and rebuilt the pro-social ones that allow me better to both Connect and Understand the 'heard' OF herd of Human Beings at large.

I look to Mother Nature FOR ALL MY ANSWERS, and 'we', AS MOST HEALTHY HUMANS, are evolved with emotions for survival, and there really is no question about that, unless one is under the illusion that Mother Nature and our Human Nature does not rule.

They do rule and to regulate HUMAN EMOTION for greater purposes is no greater purpose than I personally knowNOW.

So yeah, I disagree with Buddhism, mainstream ZEN and traditional Christianity/ISLAM too, as it is practiced in 'our' modern days, overall.

But on the other hand, I agree with the majority of it, and use IT ALL TO THE ADVANTAGE OF UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in WHAT I KNOW NOW to most definitely be the greatest human evolved power, in exercising IT, both innately and as a cultural environmental practice, for the best of all lives I know now, in my human life, at least.

And of course tHere ARE different paths and different journeys for all human beings.

I just relate my experience and expect no one else to either follow it or like it.

But of course, MOST healthy humans are evolved to share what helps them and potentially others, and what they achieve in life, so that is what I naturally do too, per Mother Nature TRUE, as what I understand IS THE ONE TRUE GOD OF ALL THAT IS.

And yes, overall, science does agree with this, to stay on topic.

@ahogday

Jeez, you don't give up do you?

To be honest I read very little of all those funnily spaced blocks of text that ALL OF A SUDDEN START SHOUTING AT MY CONCENTRATION and then drown my thoughts WITH THEIR SHEER VOLUME.
But.. I made the effort on this one
And I can't make heads or tails of it

This would be because you are not a self realised superman like aghogday, as for not reading a book by its cover, aghogday we have seen deep into the book and it would appear without the requested evidence that what we are seeing is one mammoth bit of self delusion.

@ahogday
Well I can but a lot of the stuff you are on about is so esoteric by nature and esoteric is not compatible with science full stop.
And no I don't venerate science, I do have a phobia regarding the western medical establishment and am generally very wary of anything alternative too.

You might find this interesting though
http://www.healthinducedautism.com/trad ... herbs.html

@DentArthurDent
Poor Superman, he only learnt to care when he had to didn't he now?
My evidence for Chinese meds is objective but empirical nonetheless.
In so far that I turned my back on western some 30 years ago and still here despite the abuse I have subjected my body and mind to. And still do to some degree.
Problem with us humans is that we only learn in hindsight from our mistakes.
Most of us anyway.
Some never do though
Western medicine wants to treat my body like a machine.
I will let them.
The day they figure out the variables involved

On this particular experience, anhedonia is often associated with depression, but almost has a life of its own. I had it for a long while, with and without depression. I still get it occasionally, and on some level it's almost always with me now.

For those who don't know, anhedonia is the inability to get joy from things, even from the things you would ordinarily love (hobbies, family, beauty, sex, comedy, a good read, music, thinking.. whatever). According to what I've read, it's usually an indicator of depression, but I've noticed it at times when I wouldn't call myself depressed.

Sorry if that's OT, but as for the science of psychology, sometimes it helps to discover that what you're experiencing has a name and reading about it makes some sense of the experience. I think that's a big part of why any science is good - it helps us make sense of our world.

I have been thinking a lot about emotional detachment, lack of emotion etc. over the last few weeks especially. I have noticed that when for example one person feels a threat of some kind it is because he fears losing something, which is the other side of the coin of loving something. If you don't love anything you also don't fear losing anything. I have seen this in myself compared to many people. This is most probably one of the main reasons why women aren't attracted to me. But it feels to me like it has benefits to live in this kind of dissociated state. I see often when I read about politics for example how most people seem to be much more restricted by their fears and desires. Yes, you'll most likely never see me producing much of anything, but I'd argue that you can't be both seeker and fighter simultaneously. Once you choose Coca-Cola, Pepsi is no longer an option. If you remain in a state of considering both equally you never buy either.

I agree, and HELL NO, IT IS NOT OFF TOPIC.

Yes, I was diagnosed with Anhedonia AND ALEXITHMIA from the get go for five years total, ALONG WITH THE WORST PAIN KNOWN TO HUMANKIND, in medical literature, per the type two trigeminal neuralgia, with no relief except for 1 tear when a beloved cat died and then eventual recovery back to the highly joyous 'EMPATH' OF A Human BEING I was innately born as, again.

I'll take full blown chronic depression that I also had when young after my first love left, over Anhedonia, any now of now.

No, I wasn't truly depressed, in the emotional sense of that, and was still running on empty as fast as I could go.

And NO, there was no FEELING CONNECTION TO GOD, at all, for me, per the exquisite SENSORY AND EMOTIONAL connections to Mother Nature True that I experienced more fully than most humans likely, as my form of Autism is FULL BLOWN EVERYTHING FROM SENSES TO EMOTIONS TO PHYSICAL STRENGTH and yeah, Standard I.Q that is only a drop of my full experience of life when WELL AS NOW.

And yes, science is starting to get a handle on the full experience, potential, lack of, and death of human emotions and empathy that commonly occurs among SOME HUMAN beings.

But this science of the emotional side of humans is still truly in its infancy, and potentially the most important new frontier of science to help eliminate the worst of human death in life, per suffering hearts and souls, as metaphor for the emotional essence of human beings that fires life anew, IN CREATIVE, PRODUCTIVE, AND ORGANIZED 'ORCHESTRATIVE' ACTION, IN EXECUTIVE COGNITIVE FUNCTION, each now of now.

People who ignore the importance of human emotions, in everything humans do, are truly ignoring the biggest '800LB Gorilla that is ever alive in any human room'.

AND the cutting edge of science now, suggests that physical intelligence AND THE FREE ART IN PRACTICE OF HUMAN MOVEMENT THROUGH FULL RANGE OF MOVEMENT is what drives the potential for experiencing and regulating emotions to enhance all areas of life, including sensory integration.

The ACTIVE PROCESS starts WITH MOVEMENT PER Cerebellum PART OF BRAIN and flows down through the vagal nerve from brain to gut, by 'inspiration' of human neurochemcials, and neurohormones, YES, FREE AT PLAY FOR EVEN the potential of human bliss in NOW.

EASTERN PHILOSOPHIES have known and EXPRESSED these truths of the ART of physical movement, THROUGH METAPHORS like Kundalini Serpent that in Metaphor is a healthy WELL functioning vagal nerve, AND THE POWER of CHI, KI, or QI, which is HUMAN EMOTION AT THE HIGHEST BALANCE OF POWERING HUMAN LIFE, AS A POWERFUL AND HEALING FORCE of HUMAN NOWS in bliss of peace.

Most of the misery of human beings, today, is simply from sitting still and not using mind and body in balance.

Yes, SO-CALLED SECRETS OF HUMAN HEALTH, and "spirituality", ARE NOW in PLAIN view, for all to see, for those with 'eyes and ears', to 'see', this most elemental of Mother Nature inspired human nature truth.

AND TO BE HONEST, TRULY, IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.

AND sad, as THIS SHOWS JUST HOW POWERFUL CULTURE CAN BE, AS A BRAINWASHING FORCE, to inflict misery on one's greatest gift of human health well being, going along with all of the instructions to BE STILL and STAGNANT IN WAYS OF POTENTIAL PHYSICAL INTELLIGENCE, to the detriment of this greatest gift of ALL, PER MOTHER NATURE TRUE AKA God2.

TRUE FOR SOME folks but I for one am living proof and documented evidence that it is DEFINITELY NOT TRUE FOR ALL FOLKS.

I AM A FIGHTER AND SEEKER, AND PROVE IT EVERYDAY, IN REAL LIFE, TOO.

AND I for one create and produce A MEGA AMOUNT OF 'STUFF' THAT SOME FOLKS LOVE and some folks hate but HELL that ain't nothing new, through total recorded human history, FOR SURE, AS most EVERY HISTORY BOOK SHOWS.

IT IS why I am never deterred, as I know and live the history of creative and productive folks, in many ways now.

Different strokes for different folks, is a Universal law of Both Mother Nature and Human Nature as ONE and same as GOD.

The haters are a species as well as the lovers in black and white metaphor too, and to be clear, NONE OF THIS IS DIRECTED AT ANYONE SPECIFIC IN THIS DISCUSSION.