jrjones9933 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The farmers aren't dirt farmers on their family plot, I think most agriculture in this country is own by large corporations or concentrated in the hands of a few which makes these exploitative practices all the more worse. People say go after the employers and they should but the only way to make a dent in the practice is to turn off the spigot of unlimited illegal immigrant labor because then it's just a game of who gets caught. When they say like 40% of agriculture is support by illegal labor it's absolute joke, we are supposed to feel dependent on criminals? It's never going to get fixed on its own, it is essentially the same argument used for the continuation of slavery. I believe some rich people who have built their empire on exploitation deserve to be ruined and I don't fear it because I believe that creates opportunity for others who do follow the rules to pick up slack, that would be economic fairness to me.
I think sometimes the answers to things can be very simple yet be emotionally upsetting to some, emotional arguments can be genuine in how they feel to the individual but they are not always correct and genuine emotional arguments can be made on both sides on many issues.
I sort of agree.
Also, forced relocation would end in gunfire, both leaving and arriving.
What the hell do we do? The people who do accept the farm jobs can live in the shacks? Do we spend public money to rebuild the shacks, at least, if we are going to eliminate the minimum wage?
Edit: Okay, so the small farmers have sold to the big corporations. Who do they hire as managers? Mostly the former farmers or their children, the people who know and care about farming. What you say is true, but it may not make as big a difference on the ground as you assume.
It may be simple yet unsettling for some but controlling our border and the deportation & repatriation of illegal immigrants back to their home countries is not undoable nor do I think it needs to be done in a cruel or inhumane way. This has been done before in the US under President Dwight Eisenhower with very limited means actually over the course of a few year to huge success. Now I think there a lot of creative solutions to be had in terms of this problem and I wish I had the power to make the decision. I think there could be a cash amount offered with a one way ticket back to voluntarily return their country and I think you'd be surprised at the amount that would jump at the opportunity. Simply enforcing the laws on the books would make a lot of progress. Look up how Mexico treats people that illegally
FWIW those managers are usually the ones who hire the illegals, that is how the scheme often works since the owner can just say he(or she!) contracted out the management who in turn hired its own crew thus skirt responsibility. If they are dependent on illegal labor then market forces would put these farms out of business, personally I would break up the big agricultural corporations which control our food supply and believe trust-busting may be necessary in breaking up these unnatural monopolies which have concentrated the wealth in the hands of so few but maybe I should stop on that line of thinking before people think I'm some sort of anti-capitalist.
Arizona would be among the most effected I think but I welcome the change of the status quo even if it upsets the body politic in the short term.