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23 Dec 2020, 1:30 am

Brothels are illegal.

Regardless of what they call themselves.

Local juristictions vary, and the same ones vary over time, in how much tolerance they have for brothels masquerading as message parlors.

In my city there were times that there were pages of ads in the Yellow Pages of the phone book, for "message parlors", and "escort services" that were clearly "fronts". But then in subsequent years the ads would mostly vanish. In the US an ad for "theraputic message" is usually for an actual message service, and not prostitution. The other kind just say "message".



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23 Dec 2020, 1:53 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Brothels are illegal.

Regardless of what they call themselves.

Local juristictions vary, and the same ones vary over time, in how much tolerance they have for brothels masquerading as message parlors.


Not in Australia or New Zealand.



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23 Dec 2020, 2:10 am

Getting back on topic, speaking of freedom of speech I can remember my mom telling me once as a child "freedom of speech does not mean you can be rude and nasty."

But yet I remember being in middle school and my mom was watching a film and it showed these KKK people burning a cross in their own lawn and this one little boy looked out his window across the street and I knew this was a racist thing they were doing so I asked my mom why weren't the family calling the cops and my mom said "they are allowed to do it" and I asked her why and she said "freedom of speech" but in high school my aid contradicted it saying "that is not freedom of speech, that is harassment."


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23 Dec 2020, 3:13 am

League_Girl wrote:
But yet I remember being in middle school and my mom was watching a film and it showed these KKK people burning a cross in their own lawn and this one little boy looked out his window across the street and I knew this was a racist thing they were doing so I asked my mom why weren't the family calling the cops and my mom said "they are allowed to do it" and I asked her why and she said "freedom of speech" but in high school my aid contradicted it saying "that is not freedom of speech, that is harassment."


For the far right once you were allowed to burn crosses then they were allowed the freedom of expression to lynch/assaulting random black people. 99% of those who murdered 5000 black civilians during Jim Crow never saw one day in jail.



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23 Dec 2020, 4:05 am

cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Brothels are illegal.

Regardless of what they call themselves.

Local juristictions vary, and the same ones vary over time, in how much tolerance they have for brothels masquerading as message parlors.


Not in Australia or New Zealand.

I was speaking in general, and about the US, for the benefit of "the street wisdom impaired". Was afraid that some nit picker was gonna come along.

OK. Nit pick, but be clear please.


Not in Australia/NZ?

Which "not" do you mean?

Do you mean that brothels are not illegal? Or that they are illegal, and that they are not ever tolerated regardless of what they call themselves ? Or that they do not call themselves massage parlors? Or what?



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23 Dec 2020, 4:09 am

They are legal and licensed. The licensing requires standard mandatory health checks on the employees for STDs etc and assurance that its owned by legal company and not a criminal syndicate. More importantly they have to pay tax.



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23 Dec 2020, 4:12 am

Interesting. That sort of thing gets proposed in the US. But only parts of Nevada have legal brothels AFAIK.



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23 Dec 2020, 5:23 am

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A “massage parlor” is a euphemism for a brothel.


Yes, but massage therapists don't work in those establishments. Just people who 'give massages'.


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23 Dec 2020, 7:32 am

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kraftiekortie wrote:
A “massage parlor” is a euphemism for a brothel.


Yes, but massage therapists don't work in those establishments. Just people who 'give massages'.


I was just gonna say that thats how you told the difference when looking at the ads in the yellow pages (back when folks used phone books). If the ad said "therapeutic message" then it was a real provider of message. The ads that just said "message" were likely the other, older profession.



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23 Dec 2020, 12:59 pm

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ironpony wrote:
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Do women have more fear of men saying these things or are more sensitive compared to men, even if the men mean it as banter?


If a man was to say how he thought a woman would feel after somebody f**cked her brains out it would send a message that what he was imagining himself in the same position which would be creepy and rapey.


But that's just it though. Is there a way to break past that double standard, to where either women are more open to men saying to them as well, at a work Christmas party, or the opposite, where women do not say it to men because they see how they would think of it, if it was said to them?

Or is there not way to get past that double standard?

I've been to plenty of christmas parties and there is generally a code in how you conduct yourself in front of your co-workers. But how that code is stretched depending on the industry. In the private sector when I was working in marketing some 30 years ago the sales-girls were very forward and with alcohol anything was acceptable and not above the fray. There was one incident I remember when I was drunk and a girl got really angry at something I said and we both had a brawl (no kidding) and our manager (who was also female) laughed and said break it up! Nobody cared.

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Brawling cyberdad, that must have been a site.

We had strippers at office Christmas parties in the '80s, What can I say it was the big 80s, the era when films like Porky's were popular.


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23 Dec 2020, 2:12 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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But yet I remember being in middle school and my mom was watching a film and it showed these KKK people burning a cross in their own lawn and this one little boy looked out his window across the street and I knew this was a racist thing they were doing so I asked my mom why weren't the family calling the cops and my mom said "they are allowed to do it" and I asked her why and she said "freedom of speech" but in high school my aid contradicted it saying "that is not freedom of speech, that is harassment."


For the far right once you were allowed to burn crosses then they were allowed the freedom of expression to lynch/assaulting random black people. 99% of those who murdered 5000 black civilians during Jim Crow never saw one day in jail.



I wonder if any of them ever whined about their freedom of speech being violated when this stuff started to became illegal? :roll:

I also wonder if they ever whined about their human rights being violated as well because they could no longer assault them without being arrested.


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23 Dec 2020, 2:56 pm

Well I see the points now in how freedom of speech is not a total freedom. But are people more sensitive today, than they have ever been? Sometimes I will make joking or silly remarks about things to friends, but I feel they may not find it as funny as they would have compared to say five years ago. So I wonder is it just me, or are people more sensitive nowadays, then they were before?



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23 Dec 2020, 4:17 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well I see the points now in how freedom of speech is not a total freedom. But are people more sensitive today, than they have ever been? Sometimes I will make joking or silly remarks about things to friends, but I feel they may not find it as funny as they would have compared to say five years ago. So I wonder is it just me, or are people more sensitive nowadays, then they were before?


Is more sensitivity even a bad thing? Many people seem less likely to 'play ball' if someone makes a bigoted joke in their presence these days, but perhaps we should have been less tolerant of those sorts of behaviours all along, especially given how hard it is to tell the difference between a joker pretending to be racist and a racist pretending to be a joker.


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23 Dec 2020, 4:25 pm

But I'm talking about jokes that aren't even meant to be mean spirited people can get sensitive over. I think that too sensitive is a bad thing, becaues the more sensitive people are, the less fun they can have in life and they will always be offended and mad about everything then, if you let sensitivity rule you.



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23 Dec 2020, 4:30 pm

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But I'm talking about jokes that aren't even meant to be mean spirited people can get sensitive over. I think that too sensitive is a bad thing, becaues the more sensitive people are, the less fun they can have in life and they will always be offended and mad about everything then, if you let sensitivity rule you.


What's viewed as mean-spirited depends largely on the audience and just because you don't intend something as mean-spirited, or don't realize it's hurtful doesn't make it not hurtful.

You know what makes people less able to have fun? Dealing with constant hostility over some aspect of the identity that's constantly laughed off as just kidding when you call that person out on their BS. If being gentle with those sorts of people doesn't communicate the point adequately the first or second time sometimes they just need decked with the excuse of oh, I was just kidding, didn't you get the punchline?


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23 Dec 2020, 4:33 pm

But I wonder, should something be hurtful to someone if it's not mean spirited...