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Well, yes, sometimes it is, but it depends on some circumstances, which that has nothing to do with sexual orientation itself, which that comes to be irrelevant to the discussion of this thread that is about homosexuality.

Doctrinally, Satan would use anyone who's willing, Christian, Nonchristian, anyone. He'd be what you'd call an equal-opportunity employer. People who preach hellfire are doing it wrong. Whether true or not, it comes off as an Appeal to Consequences. Properly done, a foundation of knowledge and presuppositions should be laid and go from there.

Gentlemen...please.

Mind if I take a stab at this one? Again, questions demanding subjective answers you do not want to hear. Could someone not just as easily ask...Why is it right? What good does it do?

To address this issue, I would like to go back to this...

If a truly objective observer were to come to our planet they would find rape to be a common occurrence, not only in our species but in animals as well. Take for example: the chicken. The rooster will snare the hen by her neck feathers and pin her to the ground while mounting her. Meanwhile, the hen screeches and squawks in protest. It is obvious the hen is never a willing or consenting participant in mating. Therefore, rape is necessary to the future propagation of the chicken. This is true of many animals. A truly objective observer could easily conclude; rape is a naturally occurring and necessary phenomenon on our planet.

My personal subjective opinion is, rape is bad. The actual rapist might have the opinion rape is good. Not only would the rapist be equally entitled to their opinion, but it might also seem they would have a more objective argument for their opinion than I would.

I am self-secure enough in my own subjective opinion of rape; I have no need to ask the rapist why it is good. I already know why and my personal opinion is to disagree.

I also am self-secure enough in my opinion of religion I have no need to ask the Christian why I am bad. I already know why and my personal opinion is to disagree.

Satan is wondering around in Wrongplanet.

Wondering, eh? I guess we are kinda confusing.

Subjective opinion is a nonsensical term.

All opinions are necessarily subjective or they would not be opinions.

However this does not mean that one is justified in holding opinions for no reason.

Homosexuality is bad because God says so. It not an opinion that one is justified in holding.

If there is such a thing as a subjective opinion that does not have to be reasoned, then all opinions are subjective and worthless.

Please drop this ridiculous defence of unreasonable opinion.

"Gay sex" is is technically included in "all sex." So it is relevant here.

Sex is sometimes harmful is another pointless statement.

Water is sometimes harmful. Wasps are sometimes harmful.

In what circumstances is consensual sex between adults harmful? Does it cause pain? Either emotional or physical?

well, it would depend of the system your statement of opinon would come from, then you would think of it to be relevant to show your own position, in this case, you are considering gay sex to be harmul, as part of all sex. Which I, on the other hand, I consider gay sex as part of all sex, but, harmful in the same circumstances as heterosexual sex, that is, gay sex would be as harmful and as healthy as heterosexual sex.

Ah! I'm being misquoted! I don't think sex is harmful, intrinsically. As I said, if it hurts, you're doing it wrong, or you're kinky.

Claire333:
False dichotomy. There are more choices than morally right and morally wrong. There is morally permissible. Homosexuality is not good or bad. It is. Like red hair. Just a trait. I don't see why sexuality is a moral question. I don't see why it's a problem at all.

You are also equivocating the ideas of normalcy and moral goodness. A lot of things most would consider bad happen constantly. Morally impermissible things are quite prevalent. Just because they are, does not mean they are good. And just because something is, does not mean that it is good or bad.

I'm fine with homosexuality but I'm not a homosexual, religion is the same way. A person's faith is their personal business, and I will respect it as such, even though I do not believe it.



Well, it's an admittance of ignorance, though technically it's a type of atheism. I do not believe in a god, and I don't believe there isn't a god, but the bottom line is that I still don't believe in a god, so I'm an atheist. I think of agnosticism as more of a particular philosophy of atheism instead of being intrinsically different.



I think they are mistaken. I said I was okay with religion, I didn't say that I sympathized with it.



Hahaha! Best line ever.

You are correct. I am being redundant...just emphasizing the point.


One might conclude this is also your opinion. In my opinion, yellow is the prettiest color. I have no justifiable reason for my opinion. Am I then not entitled to my opinion of yellow?


You are correct and being redundant. I will assume you are emphasizing your point.


I will agree to disagree and drop the point.

I think the difference between thinking homosexuality is a sin for no reason and thinking yellow is pretty that for color, it is pleasing to your eye. That is your reason for liking it. It pleases you. That makes sense. Thinking homosexuality is bad (unless you're a quiet homophobe) negatively impacts the world around you. Acting in a certain way towards people without cause is irrational, and wrong. Unless you don't think freedom and equality are virtues. I usually just take equality as a starting point. Do we have to argue that point?

Homosexuality and religion are completely different concepts.

Are you suggesting that homosexuality is a choice?

You already said you don't believe in religion. How is it possible to not believe in religion and yet accept its existence as being of the same quality of homosexuality?

It is really pointless arguing with you if you think homosexuality and religions are both systems of belief.

You are suggesting that you don't believe in the existence of homosexuals either, yet you have no problem with them believing what they wish.

This is obviously absurd. You argue as if all traits (homosexuality, Autism, Mental Illness) are not in fact trait but choices like religion.

People have a choice whether to be theist or agnostic.

People do not have a choice whether to be gay, autistic or mentally ill.

This concepts have no similarity whatsoever.

I have picked yellow as my favorite color because 590nanometers is the color (average at least) that the human eye sees best. As for why it doesn't show up too well on a white background, you are seeing mostly yellow being reflected anyway, so there isn't as much difference in what the eyes perceive that is being reflected. Yellow has been my favorite color since 2001 when I took my first course in electronics which had a section on the human eye when discussing photo components.

I am coming from the standpoint of: The first three words of the original post of this thread are, "In your opinion". It would make sense to me, everyone here has an opinion. Don't get me wrong...I'm in the same boat to Hell all the gays are in, but how can I be so arrogant to claim what is right or wrong, good or bad, moral or immoral. I will not do any such thing.