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04 Dec 2012, 2:53 pm

Because a man should be able to see beyond his own self-interest into the value of a society in which all members are provided with the comparable means to maximize their potential.

Because a man should be able to recognize that the burdens of reproduction lie unequally on the sexes, and that the imperative of giving birth to the next generation should not impose limitations on the achievement of those who choose to do so.

Because a man should be able to recognize that teaching his daughter how to avoid getting raped is harder than teaching his son not to be a rapist.

Because, "that which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow," applies whether the fellow is a man or a woman.

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04 Dec 2012, 3:11 pm

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Because a man should be able to see beyond his own self-interest into the value of a society in which all members are provided with the comparable means to maximize their potential.

Sure, but right now, women are beating the pants off of men, both economically and professionally.

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Because a man should be able to recognize that the burdens of reproduction lie unequally on the sexes, and that the imperative of giving birth to the next generation should not impose limitations on the achievement of those who choose to do so.

Of course the burdens are unequal. We get to do the fun part. Life is about making choices. People who choose to have children can focus on their children. Or, they can focus on other "achievements" and warehouse the kids away in daycare centers.

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Because a man should be able to recognize that teaching his daughter how to avoid getting raped is harder than teaching his son not to be a rapist.

Why would that be harder?

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Because, "that which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow," applies whether the fellow is a man or a woman.

And, I have no plans of doing anything hateful to anyone.

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04 Dec 2012, 3:28 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

visagrunt wrote:

Because a man should be able to recognize that teaching his daughter how to avoid getting raped is harder than teaching his son not to be a rapist.

Why would that be harder?

Because you don't literally have to teach your son not to be a rapist if you have a solid value system at home. It will be the default. My brother is not a rapist not because our dad sat hime down and taught him how not to be, but because that is the default in the way we were raised. It was automatic. But dad had to expend a fair bit of effort teaching me how tp protect myself from rape because it wasn't a default that he could just assume because of how he raised me.

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04 Dec 2012, 3:33 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

Sure, but right now, women are beating the pants off of men, both economically and professionally.

in what way?

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04 Dec 2012, 6:38 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

So, What is in Feminism for Men?

Some men thought that they would be rewarded with affection for conforming to Feminist agenda, but clearly this is not the case.

Why should a man be interested in feminism?

I think men should be interested in examining "gender roles" and getting rid of any self-destructive crappola contained therein.

For example, the patriarchal idea that a woman should be passive in romantic interactions lest she be deemed "too forward" and a probable "slut," thereby requiring men to do all the approaching. **nudge/wink**

Of course, you don't need "feminism" for that, per se. Personally, I see myself more as a "pro-individualist."

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04 Dec 2012, 6:57 pm

I just don't do anything and just be me no need to be someone your not to make the other gender happy but also don't force another person of a different gender to do what he or she doesn't want to do either. I'm probably going to be attacked here from both sides but that's how I see it.

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04 Dec 2012, 7:07 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:

That's very reasonable, logical, and level-headed.

Unfortunately, those are three qualities the rest of the world seems to despise.

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05 Feb 2013, 6:12 pm

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05 Feb 2013, 6:27 pm

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Do what you need to do to be happy, without harming anyone else or telling them how to live. Treat everyone the same. If that makes you happy, what does feminism even matter? It's simply a movement toward equality, if anyone makes more of it than that, they're wrong. True feminism isn't about being anti-male or anything like that, though I realize there are some radicals out there who do make it that. It's really about women having as much voice, freedom and ability to decide about their own lives as men. Simple, right?

Simple but very true, best post in the thread.

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05 Feb 2013, 6:32 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

SpiritBlooms wrote:

Simple but very true, best post in the thread.

Agreed. Not sure how I missed that post.

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05 Feb 2013, 6:34 pm

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05 Feb 2013, 8:00 pm

madamehussein wrote:

I have some biblical issues regarding feminism.

Please hear me out.

I know many of you are americans. I'm not. I grew up in Sweden. More to the point, I grew up in the ninties (a VERY feminist decade) in the most feminist town in all of Sweden.

During my upbringing, I came to see feminist ideas as the "official" truth, since all authorities and the media seemed to subscribe to it. I tried most my life to live up to the image of what a "good alternative/progressive guy" was supposed to be...

And it turned out it was all for nothing. Not even the girls/women I had admired as role models seemed to like the allaround nice guy I tried to be, the one they'd said they wanted me to be.

So...in short. I looked up to/admired feminists/women, I took everything they said as truth, and THOSE B'TCHES LIED TO ME!! !

I simply can't let it go. It's lika a christian upbringing, you can distance yourself from the religion, but the values are still kinda ingrained in you...

The problem isn't feminism. It's feminism that doesn't go far enough. A lot of men and women suffer when you have a sort of halfway feminism like you do in much of the West. Nobody's clear on who is supposed to do what. It goes from sexist gender roles to a sexist hookup culture -- and also rising rape rates.

I think as feminism becomes more ingrained and rape/sexual harassment laws become a more powerful means of shutting down aggressive men, life will get better for some of us. In my opinion, an ideal world would be a world in which all men were afraid to approach women, due to strict sexual harassment laws, forcing women to do all the approaching. It's only the transition to that world that is painful for many men as well as many women.

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05 Feb 2013, 8:02 pm

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Mark my words If you believe in female superiority you will have a rich love life.

F*ck no. I'd rather have a loveless life for eternity than give all power to women.

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05 Feb 2013, 8:50 pm

Aside from the "all men are brutish pigs" mantra echoed within the feminist community, I find their stance on "equality" illogical: how can one want equality but when it comes to being drafted or having to perform equally (same number of push-ups/sit-ups and same running times/distances) to men, feminists tend to claim that would be "sexist."
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05 Feb 2013, 8:50 pm

MCalavera wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

Mark my words If you believe in female superiority you will have a rich love life.

F*ck no. I'd rather have a loveless life for eternity than give all power to women.

Well, I do -- and don't. So no, in halfway feminist societies like the West's, it's probably more like the opposite.

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05 Feb 2013, 9:49 pm

CyborgUprising wrote:

I have two female relatives,one a female correctional officer and a border patrol agent that passed the same physical as the men did.
I can sling a 50 lb bag of feed on my shoulder and carry it.
If they can do it as well as a man,why not?
And I don't think all men are brutish pigs.

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