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07 Feb 2017, 8:38 pm

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Have to agree with the kid

symbiosis in a biological sense means a mutually benificial relationship but more like a "Borg" (Star Trek) where the original symbionts are no longer recognisable.

No,becuse it isn't always mutually beneficial.


In the biological world what you are referring to is parasitism

Symbiosis is either commensalism where the host has no impact from the organism (i.e. the millions of benevolent bugs on our skin) and mutual symbiosis (i.e. E Coli in our gut which dines on our food while helping digest for us)



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07 Feb 2017, 8:40 pm

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I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but this fact is a burr under my saddle: Steve Bannon had gone out of his way to personally include people with visas and green cards in the travel ban. What a despicable man.

Mr Bannon has a wider agenda that's bigger than Trump and will (he hopes) forever change the global landscape.



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07 Feb 2017, 9:15 pm

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Very interesting! I completely forgot Vegas is in Arizona!


Why did you write that?



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07 Feb 2017, 9:28 pm

He might not know that Las Vegas is in the State of Nevada.



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07 Feb 2017, 9:49 pm

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He might not know that Las Vegas is in the State of Nevada.


Possibly. But I don't think that's it. I think maybe he's implying I'm Jacoby's sockpuppet.



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07 Feb 2017, 10:26 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Have to agree with the kid

symbiosis in a biological sense means a mutually benificial relationship but more like a "Borg" (Star Trek) where the original symbionts are no longer recognisable.

No,becuse it isn't always mutually beneficial.


In the biological world what you are referring to is parasitism

Symbiosis is either commensalism where the host has no impact from the organism (i.e. the millions of benevolent bugs on our skin) and mutual symbiosis (i.e. E Coli in our gut which dines on our food while helping digest for us)

Lol,I posted this earlier.Even with a wiki link.


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07 Feb 2017, 10:34 pm

Misslizard wrote:
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Have to agree with the kid

symbiosis in a biological sense means a mutually benificial relationship but more like a "Borg" (Star Trek) where the original symbionts are no longer recognisable.

No,becuse it isn't always mutually beneficial.


In the biological world what you are referring to is parasitism

Symbiosis is either commensalism where the host has no impact from the organism (i.e. the millions of benevolent bugs on our skin) and mutual symbiosis (i.e. E Coli in our gut which dines on our food while helping digest for us)

Lol,I posted this earlier.Even with a wiki link.


Symbiotic posting.



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07 Feb 2017, 11:03 pm

/\lol it does seem like we are feeding off each other at times.


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08 Feb 2017, 1:04 am

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Nope,I never said that.Sure the anarchist are just one variable in many,but they are not the whole.Anarchist and peaceful protestors are two different groups.The anarchist have a separate agenda,it's not or ever has been very peaceful.Again you try to lump it all together.True they may have a mutual dislike for the president but they are not working together as a unit.
https://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/aworldin ... cpolitics/
I'd hardly call that kid a protestor more like a delinquent.Hes probably parroting what his parents said and had no idea what was going on.Maybe he's a budding pyro.
Since you don't like your age brought into discussion I find it amusing of you to mention what people learned decades ago or on old tv shows.No confusion here.


I gave this a one word reply the first time because I didn't want us getting in another really long debate, especially over a word.

Now you're saying anarchists and peaceful protestors are two separate groups. I don't think everybody in those protests going beyond peacefully standing around is an official Anarchist. It seems to me overall most of the protests have been a throng of very angry people. It seems hard to equate very angry and upset with peaceful. However it seems angry and upset along with violent are synonymous.

I don't believe everyone acting in a way that the police had to respond to was an Anarchist. And I don't think everyone wearing a mask was an Anarchist. I think a lot of them were wearing masks simply to hide their identity because they knew they would probably be filmed and photographed. I don't believe operations like DisruptJ20 and all the other similar operations were/are solely the work of Anarchists.

Was there a situation I missed where all the protestors stepped aside and let the police arrest the Anarchists?



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08 Feb 2017, 3:50 am

the current generation is so concerned with immediacy that it must be informed of every step of a process if that process does not produce immediate results.
trump has banned influx for 90 days and he is no doubt redesigning the vetting process, but he does not want to even indicate that because if he did, there would be so many people demanding to know where he is at in his construction of a new vetting process that it would impede his progress.
he will suffer a 90 day onslaught of disapproval until he reopens the border with his new idea of what constitutes adequate vetting.

i expect hat the borders will reopen when he is good and ready.

i do note also that he has made exceptions for people who need life saving surgery.

whatever. i think he upsetting an apple cart that has worn deep tracks in old roads that most people can not imagine deviating from.

i may eat my words in 120 days if things are out of control, and at least my words are nutritious to me so i won't be that sad about it.

i live so far away from the humdrum of a city that i will probably die before all the bad things take hold.

i guess that's very inconsiderate of me but i could not really care what happens to earth after i am not in it.

eventually as everyone knows, earth will be swallowed by the sun and whatever.



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08 Feb 2017, 11:45 am

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Nope,I never said that.Sure the anarchist are just one variable in many,but they are not the whole.Anarchist and peaceful protestors are two different groups.The anarchist have a separate agenda,it's not or ever has been very peaceful.Again you try to lump it all together.True they may have a mutual dislike for the president but they are not working together as a unit.
https://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/aworldin ... cpolitics/
I'd hardly call that kid a protestor more like a delinquent.Hes probably parroting what his parents said and had no idea what was going on.Maybe he's a budding pyro.
Since you don't like your age brought into discussion I find it amusing of you to mention what people learned decades ago or on old tv shows.No confusion here.


I gave this a one word reply the first time because I didn't want us getting in another really long debate, especially over a word.

Now you're saying anarchists and peaceful protestors are two separate groups. I don't think everybody in those protests going beyond peacefully standing around is an official Anarchist. It seems to me overall most of the protests have been a throng of very angry people. It seems hard to equate very angry and upset with peaceful. However it seems angry and upset along with violent are synonymous.

I don't believe everyone acting in a way that the police had to respond to was an Anarchist. And I don't think everyone wearing a mask was an Anarchist. I think a lot of them were wearing masks simply to hide their identity because they knew they would probably be filmed and photographed. I don't believe operations like DisruptJ20 and all the other similar operations were/are solely the work of Anarchists.

Was there a situation I missed where all the protestors stepped aside and let the police arrest the Anarchists?

I don't think people gathered around them to protect them,I wouldn't stop a cop from arresting a brick thrower.But that's just me.My Daughter and her friends are active in some protests and some of them have mentioned people all in black showing up and causing trouble.They didn't want them there,but maybe scared to ask them to leave?They seem like the type that might punch you if you asked them to do that.The Super Bowl protest went fine,plus the one in Florida,no trouble there.Hopefully we will see more protests like that.With social media there's really no way to keep the troublemakers from finding out where and when a protest is.They are like an obnoxious drunken loudmouth that shows up to a party uninvited.
I don't like seeing people's businesses or property destroyed,it's just so wrong.They worked hard to get there and then some jerk tosses a brick or worse sets fire to it.It doesn't help the peaceful protest movement at all.


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08 Feb 2017, 11:47 am

Martin Luther King was really good at not attracting the idiots.



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08 Feb 2017, 11:59 am

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I don't like seeing people's businesses or property destroyed,it's just so wrong.They worked hard to get there and then some jerk tosses a brick or worse sets fire to it.It doesn't help the peaceful protest movement at all.


Agreed.



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08 Feb 2017, 12:36 pm

Misslizard wrote:
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Misslizard wrote:
Nope,I never said that.Sure the anarchist are just one variable in many,but they are not the whole.Anarchist and peaceful protestors are two different groups.The anarchist have a separate agenda,it's not or ever has been very peaceful.Again you try to lump it all together.True they may have a mutual dislike for the president but they are not working together as a unit.
https://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/aworldin ... cpolitics/
I'd hardly call that kid a protestor more like a delinquent.Hes probably parroting what his parents said and had no idea what was going on.Maybe he's a budding pyro.
Since you don't like your age brought into discussion I find it amusing of you to mention what people learned decades ago or on old tv shows.No confusion here.


I gave this a one word reply the first time because I didn't want us getting in another really long debate, especially over a word.

Now you're saying anarchists and peaceful protestors are two separate groups. I don't think everybody in those protests going beyond peacefully standing around is an official Anarchist. It seems to me overall most of the protests have been a throng of very angry people. It seems hard to equate very angry and upset with peaceful. However it seems angry and upset along with violent are synonymous.

I don't believe everyone acting in a way that the police had to respond to was an Anarchist. And I don't think everyone wearing a mask was an Anarchist. I think a lot of them were wearing masks simply to hide their identity because they knew they would probably be filmed and photographed. I don't believe operations like DisruptJ20 and all the other similar operations were/are solely the work of Anarchists.

Was there a situation I missed where all the protestors stepped aside and let the police arrest the Anarchists?

I don't think people gathered around them to protect them,I wouldn't stop a cop from arresting a brick thrower.But that's just me.My Daughter and her friends are active in some protests and some of them have mentioned people all in black showing up and causing trouble.They didn't want them there,but maybe scared to ask them to leave?They seem like the type that might punch you if you asked them to do that.The Super Bowl protest went fine,plus the one in Florida,no trouble there.Hopefully we will see more protests like that.With social media there's really no way to keep the troublemakers from finding out where and when a protest is.They are like an obnoxious drunken loudmouth that shows up to a party uninvited.
I don't like seeing people's businesses or property destroyed,it's just so wrong.They worked hard to get there and then some jerk tosses a brick or worse sets fire to it.It doesn't help the peaceful protest movement at all.


Well I think unfortunately there's a lot of grey in between the black and white of totally peaceful and those setting cars on fire. Hopefully things will settle down from this point forward. But I think overall it's done more harm than good as far as perception goes. As the saying goes, 'perception is everything'. Personally I've done some facepalming watching protests on the news.



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08 Feb 2017, 1:22 pm

EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Nope,I never said that.Sure the anarchist are just one variable in many,but they are not the whole.Anarchist and peaceful protestors are two different groups.The anarchist have a separate agenda,it's not or ever has been very peaceful.Again you try to lump it all together.True they may have a mutual dislike for the president but they are not working together as a unit.
https://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/aworldin ... cpolitics/
I'd hardly call that kid a protestor more like a delinquent.Hes probably parroting what his parents said and had no idea what was going on.Maybe he's a budding pyro.
Since you don't like your age brought into discussion I find it amusing of you to mention what people learned decades ago or on old tv shows.No confusion here.


I gave this a one word reply the first time because I didn't want us getting in another really long debate, especially over a word.

Now you're saying anarchists and peaceful protestors are two separate groups. I don't think everybody in those protests going beyond peacefully standing around is an official Anarchist. It seems to me overall most of the protests have been a throng of very angry people. It seems hard to equate very angry and upset with peaceful. However it seems angry and upset along with violent are synonymous.

I don't believe everyone acting in a way that the police had to respond to was an Anarchist. And I don't think everyone wearing a mask was an Anarchist. I think a lot of them were wearing masks simply to hide their identity because they knew they would probably be filmed and photographed. I don't believe operations like DisruptJ20 and all the other similar operations were/are solely the work of Anarchists.

Was there a situation I missed where all the protestors stepped aside and let the police arrest the Anarchists?

I don't think people gathered around them to protect them,I wouldn't stop a cop from arresting a brick thrower.But that's just me.My Daughter and her friends are active in some protests and some of them have mentioned people all in black showing up and causing trouble.They didn't want them there,but maybe scared to ask them to leave?They seem like the type that might punch you if you asked them to do that.The Super Bowl protest went fine,plus the one in Florida,no trouble there.Hopefully we will see more protests like that.With social media there's really no way to keep the troublemakers from finding out where and when a protest is.They are like an obnoxious drunken loudmouth that shows up to a party uninvited.
I don't like seeing people's businesses or property destroyed,it's just so wrong.They worked hard to get there and then some jerk tosses a brick or worse sets fire to it.It doesn't help the peaceful protest movement at all.


Well I think unfortunately there's a lot of grey in between the black and white of totally peaceful and those setting cars on fire. Hopefully things will settle down from this point forward. But I think overall it's done more harm than good as far as perception goes. As the saying goes, 'perception is everything'. Personally I've done some facepalming watching protests on the news.

The news doesn't give that much air time to peaceful demonstrations,too boring.They want flamage,that what gets the viewers and the ratings.People don't want to watch a long clip of peaceful people marching.They want bread and circuses.
Now we have "fake" news and reality tv.


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08 Feb 2017, 7:26 pm

Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Nope,I never said that.Sure the anarchist are just one variable in many,but they are not the whole.Anarchist and peaceful protestors are two different groups.The anarchist have a separate agenda,it's not or ever has been very peaceful.Again you try to lump it all together.True they may have a mutual dislike for the president but they are not working together as a unit.
https://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/aworldin ... cpolitics/
I'd hardly call that kid a protestor more like a delinquent.Hes probably parroting what his parents said and had no idea what was going on.Maybe he's a budding pyro.
Since you don't like your age brought into discussion I find it amusing of you to mention what people learned decades ago or on old tv shows.No confusion here.


I gave this a one word reply the first time because I didn't want us getting in another really long debate, especially over a word.

Now you're saying anarchists and peaceful protestors are two separate groups. I don't think everybody in those protests going beyond peacefully standing around is an official Anarchist. It seems to me overall most of the protests have been a throng of very angry people. It seems hard to equate very angry and upset with peaceful. However it seems angry and upset along with violent are synonymous.

I don't believe everyone acting in a way that the police had to respond to was an Anarchist. And I don't think everyone wearing a mask was an Anarchist. I think a lot of them were wearing masks simply to hide their identity because they knew they would probably be filmed and photographed. I don't believe operations like DisruptJ20 and all the other similar operations were/are solely the work of Anarchists.

Was there a situation I missed where all the protestors stepped aside and let the police arrest the Anarchists?

I don't think people gathered around them to protect them,I wouldn't stop a cop from arresting a brick thrower.But that's just me.My Daughter and her friends are active in some protests and some of them have mentioned people all in black showing up and causing trouble.They didn't want them there,but maybe scared to ask them to leave?They seem like the type that might punch you if you asked them to do that.The Super Bowl protest went fine,plus the one in Florida,no trouble there.Hopefully we will see more protests like that.With social media there's really no way to keep the troublemakers from finding out where and when a protest is.They are like an obnoxious drunken loudmouth that shows up to a party uninvited.
I don't like seeing people's businesses or property destroyed,it's just so wrong.They worked hard to get there and then some jerk tosses a brick or worse sets fire to it.It doesn't help the peaceful protest movement at all.


Well I think unfortunately there's a lot of grey in between the black and white of totally peaceful and those setting cars on fire. Hopefully things will settle down from this point forward. But I think overall it's done more harm than good as far as perception goes. As the saying goes, 'perception is everything'. Personally I've done some facepalming watching protests on the news.

The news doesn't give that much air time to peaceful demonstrations,too boring.They want flamage,that what gets the viewers and the ratings.People don't want to watch a long clip of peaceful people marching.They want bread and circuses.
Now we have "fake" news and reality tv.


That is exactly right. Last summer, my wife and I, along with a friend, had attended a Black Lives Matter demonstration at the Spokane courthouse - - which was perfectly peaceful. A counter demonstrator was even allowed to come up to the podium and speak his mind. From the coverage given to Black Lives Matter in other places in the country, the Spokane branch would be unrecognizable in comparison. I have to think most of that organization resembles the Spokane branch much more than the few that get media attention for violent rhetoric, and stopping traffic.


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