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I wasn't condoning Trump's trollish behavior; merely pointing out that it most certainly wasn't an admission of guilt. The only difference Trump and his predecessors is he stripped the respectable, phony facade from the presidency. But I guess it's nice to have a nice, smiling, respectable face while you're committing war crimes.

Drip, drip, drip.

The story has been clear for some time: senior officials within the CIA and FBI conspired with foreign agents to overturn a US presidential election. Hands down the biggest political scandal in American history.

FBI's Steele story falls apart: False intel and media contacts were flagged before FISA

The FBI’s sworn story to a federal court about its asset, Christopher Steele, is fraying faster than a $5 souvenir T-shirt bought at a tourist trap.

Newly unearthed memos show a high-ranking government official who met with Steele in October 2016 determined some of the Donald Trump dirt that Steele was simultaneously digging up for the FBI and for Hillary Clinton’s campaign was inaccurate, and likely leaked to the media.

The concerns were flagged in a typed memo and in handwritten notes taken by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec on Oct. 11, 2016.

Her observations were recorded exactly 10 days before the FBI used Steele and his infamous dossier to justify securing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page and the campaign’s contacts with Russia in search of a now debunked collusion theory.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... re-flagged

No, I'd rather have a President who doesn't commit war crimes, and is also reserved and articulate, and doesn't stir up the worst impulses and prejudices among his supporters.

Me too.

What makes you think so? Trump has admitted guilt before. When he fired Comey, the one thing he should have done to keep up the nice, smiling respectable face of no obstruction was to stick to the original cover story that he fired Comey over the Clinton email investigation. But then Trump told Lester Holt, on camera, that he fired Comey over the Russia investigation. He told the Russians that firing Comey had taken a lot of pressure off him over the Russia thing. The New York Times ran that story of Trump losing a billion dollars in the 80s. Trump tweeted that he didn't lose money, he just fiddled his taxes, probably because he thinks that makes him smart, as he said in one of his debates with Clinton.

For someone who claims to hate both main parties, you spend a lot of time defending the guy who is the most extreme manifestaton of all their worst traits. Why? I really don't understand that.

Because I can tell when someone is taking the piss. It's as simple as that.

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What you see as defending Trump is merely applying critical thinking skills to criticisms against him. I've explained my opinion over and over until I'm blue in the face. If you don't get it, you don't get it.

You can insist it's a matter of 'not getting it' all you like, but ever consider that your explanations simply don't hold water outside your own mind?

The only people with whom they don't hold water are those who can't think outside of the left/right paradigm. There are plenty of decent independent journalists who share my views on this topic, most of them progressives, and none of them Trump supporters.

Based on the posters who disagreed with you this is clearly yet another untruthful statement. Thanks for playing.

I've been debunking it for 3 years. It's been proven to be a hoax as there is zero evidence and people still push the conspiracy theory. Shameful. Trump is Israel's puppet.

Yeah Bush Jr was such a great speaker

I don't doubt that there is truth to this as well. The one doesn't preclude the other and would help explain the appearance of his loyalties being conflicted in some instances, although the other factor is likely that he's not particularly loyal to any entity except himself.

The only thing Russiagate has done is to direct attention away from actual Trump policies, which is what the resistance should be focusing on. Aarron Mate made an excellent point in an interview shortly after the whole conspiracy theory fell apart. Before Russiagate really took hold, you had people protesting what Trump was doing -- like implementing the ban on Muslims. Once the MSM latched onto Russiagate, that's all they focused on. And those who still buy into it fail to realize it's done nothing but empower Trump -- not to mention ramp up the new cold war, which is dangerous and insane.







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There's no reason one can't believe that the conclusions of the report aren't relevant, without also taking issue with his policies. I don't disagree that the media regularly choose to let this topic suck must of the oxygen from the room, but that doesn't mean individuals should follow their lead. Placing too much hope in this as the silver bullet that will take him down is a mistake, that doesn't mean that it's completely irrelevant and shouldn't ever been spoken of.

All Trump has done is help Israel and hurt Russia, so no. He likes Putin and listens to him. And so he should listen to him.