13 May 2008, 3:33 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
It's not about feeling as I do; it's about teachers singling out Christians in the class and making
fun of their belief in God, and their disbelief that man evolved from lower species and even dead matter.
There is little in this world that is more worthy of doubt than that man came from dead matter,
and yet students are not allowed to doubt this. And if they do doubt it, they are required to
pretend that they don't -- which means they are required to lie.
So, that's the modern science classroom for you: "Doubters of abiogenesis, and believers in God
creating us: either recant or you fail!"
fun of their belief in God, and their disbelief that man evolved from lower species and even dead matter.
There is little in this world that is more worthy of doubt than that man came from dead matter,
and yet students are not allowed to doubt this. And if they do doubt it, they are required to
pretend that they don't -- which means they are required to lie.
So, that's the modern science classroom for you: "Doubters of abiogenesis, and believers in God
creating us: either recant or you fail!"
My Biology teacher is a Christian, you stud. You think he was "singling out Christians and making fun of their belief in God?"
No, I don't. I think he is one of the obvious exceptions to my general statement.
I'm pretty sure all of the biology teachers at my high school are Christian. And it's a public school, too. College biology professors I've met are also Christian, so knock this nonsense off. You are projecting.
Ragtime wrote:
Orwell wrote:
And no one is required to lie, and no one's grade is affected by saying they don't believe in evolution.
Telling two more lies won't help.
I've listened to people challenge my bio teacher on evolution multiple times. He patiently attempts to explain the evidence to them, but when it becomes obvious that they aren't interested in such a discussion, he shrugs it off and moves on. No one's grade has ever been adversely affected by these statements. If you can pass the tests, and you can do the lab work, you'll pass the class. That's how science classes work. It's only really in the humanities and liberal arts where you can get a lower grade for disagreeing with the teacher.
Sedaka
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,597
Location: In the recesses of my mind
13 May 2008, 3:34 pm
13 May 2008, 3:35 pm
Sedaka
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,597
Location: In the recesses of my mind
13 May 2008, 3:38 pm
13 May 2008, 3:40 pm
Odin wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i can see lots of tests that have been proven for evolution...
Look, when the teacher says, "As we all know, man evolved from apes," how is that a proven statement?
1. Fossils
Bad argument. Very bad. No complete fossils show a creature between ape and human.
And the very few partial fossils -- and they are very partial (like a single tooth) --
that we have are always lone. Never do we find 2, 10, 100, like we should for any actual
species that would have existed to bridge the gap between apes and humans.
Therefore, those lone, partial fossils are most likely stand-alone genetic anomolies
from another static species, either still in existance or extinct.
Odin wrote:
2. Genetic analysis
That "99%" DNA figure that scientists previously stated we had in common with chimps
has recently been revised to "90%", due to a previous mistake that scientists had made
in coming up with the original figure.
It was in a news article a few months ago which you probably saw.
Odin wrote:
This whole notion that teachers are "forced to lie" has no real existance outside of your paranoid mind.
Read what I wrote. I didn't say teachers are forced to lie (although that's true as well, in some cases),
I said that teachers force students to lie, by making them state facts they don't believe in as if they do --
facts which contradict their religions.
And this absolutely happens all over the country every day.
I've said it ten times -- because people keep somehow missing what I'm saying and asking for repeats --
and I'm going to say it every day on this forum, every time I'm asked, until readers get it.
I won't give up on you!
Last edited by Ragtime on 13 May 2008, 3:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.
13 May 2008, 3:46 pm
13 May 2008, 3:51 pm
13 May 2008, 3:55 pm
13 May 2008, 3:56 pm
Odin wrote:
Orwell wrote:
My Biology teacher is a Christian, you dolt. You think he was "singling out Christians and making fun of their belief in God?" How many people mock their own religion? And no one is required to lie, and no one's grade is affected by saying they don't believe in evolution.
Get over your delusions of persecution, Ragtime. For the last time, NOT ALL EVOLUTIONIST ARE ATHEIST.
Get over your delusions of persecution, Ragtime. For the last time, NOT ALL EVOLUTIONIST ARE ATHEIST.
Ragtime is sounding Schizotypal, methinks he needs anti-psychotics.
Oh my, an ad hominem attack from a liberal! I'm shocked!
Sedaka
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,597
Location: In the recesses of my mind
13 May 2008, 4:04 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Odin wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i can see lots of tests that have been proven for evolution...
Look, when the teacher says, "As we all know, man evolved from apes," how is that a proven statement?
1. Fossils
Bad argument. Very bad. No complete fossils show a creature between ape and human.
And the very few partial fossils -- and they are very partial (like a single tooth) --
that we have are always lone. Never do we find 2, 10, 100, like we should for any actual
species that would have existed to bridge the gap between apes and humans.
Therefore, those lone, partial fossils are most likely stand-alone genetic anomolies
from another static species, either still in existance or extinct.
Odin wrote:
2. Genetic analysis
That "99%" DNA figure that scientists previously stated we had in common with chimps
has recently been revised to "90%", due to a previous mistake that scientists had made
in coming up with the original figure.
It was in a news article a few months ago which you probably saw.
Odin wrote:
This whole notion that teachers are "forced to lie" has no real existance outside of your paranoid mind.
Read what I wrote. I didn't say teachers are forced to lie (although that's true as well, in some cases),
I said that teachers force students to lie, by making them state facts they don't believe in as if they do --
facts which contradict their religions.
And this absolutely happens all over the country every day.
I've said it ten times -- because people keep somehow missing what I'm saying and asking for repeats --
and I'm going to say it every day on this forum, every time I'm asked, until readers get it.
I won't give up on you!
1) you first statement is result of a misconception... there is no IN BETWEEN... evolution isn't that simplistically linear... there were several species evolving at the same time and many of them looked similar and had similar niches (it's reciprocal with how they look in a way... form=function)... these species compete and some die.... and mutations make very minute changes that take a long time to show changes... so you're never gonna get the play by play in the fossil record... which is why we use molecular biology from many angles to find agreements on lineages.
2) that's just utter crap... give me your article citing. we're ~98% chimps and somehtin like 95-96% to mice proven by MANY studies both current and old... and so what? are you gonna accept the 90% or are you merely using this as a ploy to show inconsistency?
Sedaka
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,597
Location: In the recesses of my mind
13 May 2008, 4:10 pm
13 May 2008, 4:45 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Odin wrote:
Orwell wrote:
My Biology teacher is a Christian, you dolt. You think he was "singling out Christians and making fun of their belief in God?" How many people mock their own religion? And no one is required to lie, and no one's grade is affected by saying they don't believe in evolution.
Get over your delusions of persecution, Ragtime. For the last time, NOT ALL EVOLUTIONIST ARE ATHEIST.
Get over your delusions of persecution, Ragtime. For the last time, NOT ALL EVOLUTIONIST ARE ATHEIST.
Ragtime is sounding Schizotypal, methinks he needs anti-psychotics.
Oh my, an ad hominem attack from a liberal! I'm shocked!
It isn't an ad-hom attack when it's obvious to everyone that your perception of reality is distorted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypa ... y_disorder
Quote:
The American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines Schizotypal personality disorder as "A pervasive pattern of social and interpersonal deficits marked by acute discomfort with, and reduced capacity for, close relationships as well as by cognitive or perceptual distortions and eccentricities of behavior, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. Ideas of reference (excluding delusions of reference)
2. Odd beliefs or magical thinking that influences behavior and is inconsistent with subcultural norms (e.g., superstitiousness, belief in clairvoyance, telepathy, or "sixth sense"; in children and adolescents, bizarre fantasies or preoccupations)
3. Unusual perceptual experiences, including bodily illusions
4. Odd thinking and speech (e.g., vague, circumstantial, metaphorical, overelaborate, or stereotyped)
5. Suspiciousness or paranoid ideation
6. Inappropriate or constricted affect
7. Behavior or appearance that is odd, eccentric, or peculiar
8. Lack of close friends or confidants other than first-degree relatives
9. Social anxiety that tends to be associated with paranoid fears rather than negative judgments about self
1. Ideas of reference (excluding delusions of reference)
2. Odd beliefs or magical thinking that influences behavior and is inconsistent with subcultural norms (e.g., superstitiousness, belief in clairvoyance, telepathy, or "sixth sense"; in children and adolescents, bizarre fantasies or preoccupations)
3. Unusual perceptual experiences, including bodily illusions
4. Odd thinking and speech (e.g., vague, circumstantial, metaphorical, overelaborate, or stereotyped)
5. Suspiciousness or paranoid ideation
6. Inappropriate or constricted affect
7. Behavior or appearance that is odd, eccentric, or peculiar
8. Lack of close friends or confidants other than first-degree relatives
9. Social anxiety that tends to be associated with paranoid fears rather than negative judgments about self
Sedaka
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,597
Location: In the recesses of my mind
13 May 2008, 5:38 pm
13 May 2008, 6:57 pm
13 May 2008, 7:09 pm
13 May 2008, 8:07 pm
