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09 Sep 2008, 7:52 am

I can understand and have some sympathy for people who yearn for a God and a hereafter since death for most people is not looked forward to with pleasure. But no one has returned from death to tell harrowing stories of Hell or delightful stories of Heaven so I am very curious about how people get all this specific information that can be depended upon. Hell, if it exists, might just as well be a dentist's office.
It has been contemplated that Hell might be as abstract as being deprived of God. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, have lived lives of miserable poverty and disease merely because that's how the world is ordered. So I wonder if perhaps Hell might be a final gain of understanding who God actually is.



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09 Sep 2008, 9:05 am

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there is way too many idiots who talk about religion and cannot talk with common sense and logic, any question regarding afterlife etc imo is never going to be known, Why? because when you die, no-one is going to come back to report what happened (lol at the people who think otherwise)

religious people have got to understand why i don't believe in religion, religion expands every extreme and it IS, it IS, and tool ultimately for evil, remember if your not religious, DOES NOT mean you are evil, religion will smartly prove otherwise, but ultimately that is there form of control and brainwashing agenda, please think of brainwashing not as the crazy way you see on tv, but realise the tv is one of many brainwashing tools, only intelligence can set you free from the suttle forms/methods of control...therefore i have every reason to fear all goverment as government goes hand in hand with religion, people have understanded the religious system and have tried to exploit it by recreating there own form for there own agenda

but also the double edged blade of religion is that it can help people, we have to understand when religious people get together to fundraise for diseased or injured people, we have to thank THOSE people, not the religion, religion does not enforce good things to happen, we do, religion does enforce bad things to happen, and that is why it is a tool for war, religions = war


You're mixing lies with truth here, Jessman. Not good.



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09 Sep 2008, 9:07 am

Sand wrote:
I can understand and have some sympathy for people who yearn for a God and a hereafter since death for most people is not looked forward to with pleasure. But no one has returned from death to tell harrowing stories of Hell or delightful stories of Heaven so I am very curious about how people get all this specific information that can be depended upon. Hell, if it exists, might just as well be a dentist's office.
It has been contemplated that Hell might be as abstract as being deprived of God. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, have lived lives of miserable poverty and disease merely because that's how the world is ordered. So I wonder if perhaps Hell might be a final gain of understanding who God actually is.


People have had NDE's and described them to others. The similarity of all these experiences is really compelling.



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09 Sep 2008, 9:24 am

the popular religions are all controlled and would normally have strict routines involved, there is an ironic reason for this CONTROL!



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09 Sep 2008, 9:28 am

I'm sorry you have such a negative view of religion.



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09 Sep 2008, 9:42 am

Unfortunately near death experiences are obviously influenced by what people have heard before and have fabricated their imaginary experiences out of legends, suppositions etc. Its the same stuff dreams are made of and human physiology is similar enough so that under fear and other emotional pressure similar effects can be expected. Certainly insufficient to be taken seriously as a record of actuality. But I suppose people believe what they want to believe.



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09 Sep 2008, 9:49 am

So we're just meat-robots, then? Biological machines? Get outta here ...



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09 Sep 2008, 9:57 am

Sand wrote:
Unfortunately near death experiences are obviously influenced by what people have heard before and have fabricated their imaginary experiences out of legends, suppositions etc. Its the same stuff dreams are made of and human physiology is similar enough so that under fear and other emotional pressure similar effects can be expected. Certainly insufficient to be taken seriously as a record of actuality. But I suppose people believe what they want to believe.


I Agree, but that would mean, how do we know we both aren't just perpetuating our own beliefs because we both have fears of the opposite opinions/beliefs?



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09 Sep 2008, 10:04 am

When people start to go to churches to pray for cures instead of hospitals where meat robot procedures are the preferred methods I will reconsider. Of course, when the medical diagnoses indicate meat robot procedures are unavailable a church may appeal to people as better than nothing.



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09 Sep 2008, 10:14 am

slowmutant wrote:
Sand wrote:
I can understand and have some sympathy for people who yearn for a God and a hereafter since death for most people is not looked forward to with pleasure. But no one has returned from death to tell harrowing stories of Hell or delightful stories of Heaven so I am very curious about how people get all this specific information that can be depended upon. Hell, if it exists, might just as well be a dentist's office.
It has been contemplated that Hell might be as abstract as being deprived of God. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, have lived lives of miserable poverty and disease merely because that's how the world is ordered. So I wonder if perhaps Hell might be a final gain of understanding who God actually is.


People have had NDE's and described them to others. The similarity of all these experiences is really compelling.


But doesn't the similarity point to a common neurological basis or a common spiritual basis? Don't Christians dream of Jesus and have near death experiences where they see or sense Jesus, while Hindus dream of other gods and experience them in their NDEs?



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09 Sep 2008, 10:16 am

I agree, it would be foolish to expect prayer to work be a magic nostrum when medicine is there to be utilized. Next time, just get your kid vaccinated.



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09 Sep 2008, 10:18 am

monty wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Sand wrote:
I can understand and have some sympathy for people who yearn for a God and a hereafter since death for most people is not looked forward to with pleasure. But no one has returned from death to tell harrowing stories of Hell or delightful stories of Heaven so I am very curious about how people get all this specific information that can be depended upon. Hell, if it exists, might just as well be a dentist's office.
It has been contemplated that Hell might be as abstract as being deprived of God. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, have lived lives of miserable poverty and disease merely because that's how the world is ordered. So I wonder if perhaps Hell might be a final gain of understanding who God actually is.


People have had NDE's and described them to others. The similarity of all these experiences is really compelling.


But doesn't the similarity point to a common neurological basis or a common spiritual basis? Don't Christians dream of Jesus and have near death experiences where they see or sense Jesus, while Hindus dream of other gods and experience them in their NDEs?


Evreryone seems to report the common elements of floating near the ceiling, leaving their body, the long tunnel and the bright light ...



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09 Sep 2008, 10:40 am

slowmutant wrote:
monty wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Sand wrote:
I can understand and have some sympathy for people who yearn for a God and a hereafter since death for most people is not looked forward to with pleasure. But no one has returned from death to tell harrowing stories of Hell or delightful stories of Heaven so I am very curious about how people get all this specific information that can be depended upon. Hell, if it exists, might just as well be a dentist's office.
It has been contemplated that Hell might be as abstract as being deprived of God. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, have lived lives of miserable poverty and disease merely because that's how the world is ordered. So I wonder if perhaps Hell might be a final gain of understanding who God actually is.


People have had NDE's and described them to others. The similarity of all these experiences is really compelling.


But doesn't the similarity point to a common neurological basis or a common spiritual basis? Don't Christians dream of Jesus and have near death experiences where they see or sense Jesus, while Hindus dream of other gods and experience them in their NDEs?


Evreryone seems to report the common elements of floating near the ceiling, leaving their body, the long tunnel and the bright light ...

I love how stupid people are with that. You saw a white light when you died? You didn't see Jesus waving his giant USA flag? You didn't see your relatives or a golden gate? Just a white light? How do we know that's heaven, Maybe when you die you're in a void of nothingness surrounded by the color white. That's more believable then going to a magical kingdom in the clouds when you haven't seen anything other than the color white.



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09 Sep 2008, 10:40 am

This article on a meat machine agenda seems, at least to me, to be more realistic about out of body experiences.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/healt ... 3shad.html



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09 Sep 2008, 10:45 am

slowmutant wrote:
monty wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Sand wrote:
I can understand and have some sympathy for people who yearn for a God and a hereafter since death for most people is not looked forward to with pleasure. But no one has returned from death to tell harrowing stories of Hell or delightful stories of Heaven so I am very curious about how people get all this specific information that can be depended upon. Hell, if it exists, might just as well be a dentist's office.
It has been contemplated that Hell might be as abstract as being deprived of God. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, have lived lives of miserable poverty and disease merely because that's how the world is ordered. So I wonder if perhaps Hell might be a final gain of understanding who God actually is.


People have had NDE's and described them to others. The similarity of all these experiences is really compelling.


But doesn't the similarity point to a common neurological basis or a common spiritual basis? Don't Christians dream of Jesus and have near death experiences where they see or sense Jesus, while Hindus dream of other gods and experience them in their NDEs?


Evreryone seems to report the common elements of floating near the ceiling, leaving their body, the long tunnel and the bright light ...

i'll take a guess here about the meanings,
-Floating out of body- I remember once, i was half asleep and i weirdly started to float towards the upper left of my room, i somehow woke myself up, it may be because of my long battle with insomnia (sleep disorder)
-the long tunnel for me was when i had extreme anger towards people, i remember a saying that said "the angry man opens his mouth and shuts his eyes", at a time in life i was heavily angry at people, and the only reason why i had the courage to keep doing it is because my eyes would blur my reality
-The bright light, i haven't experienced this, but i believe people that have got Post traumatic stress disorder probably ecperience this

these are just logical assumptions, don't hold them aginst me if they turn out to be different



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09 Sep 2008, 12:40 pm

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Is Atheism Satanism?

Post, flame, discuss, debate and shout about to your heart's content.


Satanism is an Atheist "religion" Revolving around the views and philosophies of Professor Anton La Vey. They use Satan as an image of rebellion against religion and what they consider to be "spiritual pipe dreams"

I think you may be thinking of Luciferism or devil worship, which is an offshoot of Christianity/Judaism revolving around worshipping Satan.