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No argument here.

BTW twoshots(and everyone else too): Have you ever heard of Unitarianism? Unlike the contemporary UUChurch in the US, Unitarianism was a 16th-17th century protestant offshoot which rejected the notion of the Holy Trinity and preached the unity of God. AFAIK they believe that while Christ was of divine origins he was not equivalent to God himself. There are some unitarians who believe in christs resurrection as demonstration of Gods power. It honestly would make more sense(to me at least) to view Christ as perhaps, an archangel with a divine message than God in human form.

Why is that?

Muslims, Christians, atheists, Jews, totalitarians, everyone... please keep me well away from your poisonous, infantile beliefs. Thank you.

What a well structured and mature reply. So you want nothing to do with neither Atheism nor any religion? Basically you dont want to believe in any god but also dont want to NOT believe... This sounds like you are asked a very basic "yes or no" answer (question being weither you believe in god or not) and that you refuse to answer either yes or no.

No, it means I'll make my own mind up. I'm actually an agnostic but having people ranting in my ear from either side of the fence really hacks me off.

Absolutely.

Symbolism is part of human thought. The more wide-ranging our symbols for the ultimate Reality, the more deeply we can attempt to understand that Reality. The problem - and what might be defined as real idolatry - is when someone starts regarding any one symbol as being the ultimate Reality.

God is bigger than all our metaphors...and the word 'God' is itself, don't forget, one more metaphor.

There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient. - The Noble Qur'an, 2:256

As for the Bible...

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13

6-18
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

Firstly I'd like to mention the appearance of Islam:

Twin towers
Terrorists
Bin Laden
Hijacking
Bombings

Then they make those poor people cover the whole body like they're ghosts.
Then they stone you to death if you want to change religion (in Islamic countries)
Everything they do isn't right because it's not peaceful as they say in the Qur'an.

Muslims are so terratorial at school, if they weren't there, I reckon I'd be happy as a Aspie.

(delete his thread? Then delete all the christian hating threads)

I think idolatry is something you rarely find in countries where the majority of the population is well-educated. Devotion for Krishna or for Christ in the knowledge that they are in fact infinite cannot be called idolatry.

Oh...I don't know about that...most Muslims I know are like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foBK_WfUH7Y[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Mw3eiDqCY&feature=related[/youtube]

A 20 year-old has no right to say such things.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that this "debate" is semantical and, ergo, trivial. There is no objective notion of what it means to be monotheistic, which is obvious given the differing notions from different religions, and therefore this argument is essentially uninteresting. Talking about what qualifies as "real" monotheism is platonic nonsense. However, I stand by my claim that conflating the Christian notion of God with a pagan one is quite mistaken, as it derives considerably from more monadic philosophies such as Judaism and Platonism, and is theologically quite different from the paganisms of Europe. The idea that the formalisms of the Trinity somehow, by themselves, make it polytheistic is harping over what amounts theologically to a technicality. While it cannot be denied that the God of Christianity differs dramatically from Yahweh, the modern concept of monotheism is not strictly dictated by the Jews.

Well, theologically I don't know as I'm not read up on it, but it's pretty obvious it goes back to the mythology constructed around Jesus, although it is noteworthy that there were sects of early Christianity which denied the divinity of Jesus, and as I recall gnostic opinion of him varied from great prophet to emanation of Bythos.


"Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds" If we wish to criticize Islam, I'm not really in a position to make educated criticisms of it.

What's so aggressively rational about promising 72 virgins to those who blow themselves up in crowded marketplaces? The promise of nookie in the afterlife as a reward for mass murder? No, not rational. Just depraved.