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Awesomelyglorious & Mithrandir

God may have created Justice and We have not yet found it or can not find it either. What is Justice to God I do not know for I am not God for Only God Knows that for sure. Maybe One Day it Will yet be Explained by God or not. I do not Know Myself.

I can not give the explanation for what Justice is or means. Anybody that does is that persons Ideal of what Justice is for them. So far I have not heard what Justice the meaning is by anybody here and I can not give it either. That is why I ask to see if anybody could but so far nobody has or did not want to. The Concept of Justice in the world We live in, I think will always be imperfect. In a imperfect world does that make Justice unjust or does that make that justice in the end. Justice is what Justice is a Concept Only and Nothing More than that.

Awesomlyglorious

You maybe right but the truth is sometimes right in front of You in front of anybody that wants the truth whatever type of truth they want. It is a matter of prospective on how You see it in the end. The truth is always different for each of Us all. See nothing is ever stupid unless You want to make it stupid then. Truth is ever changing from one moment to the next moment. It is not just a end Life thing. Even You have experience truth revealing things in Your Life at one moment in time or another. For We all do in the end. Truth is transforming it helps You to transform Yourself. Nobody can make You see the Truth You must want to See It Yourself. You have Yet concluded the truth does not come at all until You are near death. I do not believe that one bit. It is up to You to find it Yourself. It just does not happen as You are dying in the end. There has to be something-else after that broken down body that We die in in the end.

Justice is defined by whoever is making the rules and enforcing them at the time. It changes very frequently...

I still say Prevention is more compassionate to overall society than quelling the problem after the fact. More expensive in the short-run, true. But better for everyone on the whole.

Sophist

That is true Justice is made by the ones that make and enforce them. Prevention would be better but governments do not truly work that way at all in the end. We must remember this, government(s) do really nothing to prevent crime or not enough to prevent crime. Nor can they really do that either too. Governments are to big and bureaucratic to make prevention its goal in the end.

Kevv729,
Truth is by its nature going to be absolute. 1 + 1 = 2 no matter what you do. There is no fluctuations of truth and truth is not subjective. Opinions are subjective, but facts are not and facts are considered to be what is true. I cannot see any real truth in the morass that makes up life. We have a thousand contradictions, enough to drown out any truth. We have the rights and the lefts, the freedom lovers and the authoritarians, we have hate and love, we have religion and its lack, we have a billion voices all speaking different things based on equally valid experiences. Opposing arguments cannot both be completely true but they can both be completely untrue. If we cannot determine which voice is true then it is safest to assume that none are. Nothing is subjectively true, all assumptions are either true or false. The reason why I simply stated that truth becomes revealed at death is that death brings judgement, we go to whatever afterlife we deserve or we simply cease to exist. No matter what a final truth is exposed, we just might not be able to perceive it.

Prevention is a good policy whenever it is feasable. I sort of wonder if truly effective prevention breaches basic laws on liberty. People raise their children and for governments to exert too much power would be something that many people would not desire despite how bad they(the people) may be at parenting. Ultimately, to have perfect prevention we would have to have totalitarianism which is why we must have other plans for dealing with the problems.

Awesomelyglorious

What You say is truth on how You see the Truth in Your Life that is how You are Seeing and Perceiving the Truth in You Own Eyes. If Truth is that Absolute then nobody will be able to see it at all not even in Death. If Truth is 1+1=2 then We then We have come across-ed the truth in the end have We not. See Truth is in front of You it is in front of Us all. It is us (humans) like to see and find contradictions so we (humans) can drown out any of the Truth in the end. 1+1=2 does equal 2 so their is the Truth is that not Truth. All Opposing Arguments are the truth in how each one of Us seeing It even though It maybe Opposing from each other. Yes even Death is apart of the Truth for even the Living Know that they will Die in the end. God has in doled Us with the Truth so We can Learn from the Truth in Our Own Way of finding the Truth for Ourselves in the end. God has Created Humanity, Individuality in Humanity and We both are individuals that have the Truth within Ourselves. We are the Ones that have to Unlock the Truth from within Us on that Individual bases in the end. You have taken the safest way out and have determined Yourself in Your Way; You can take away if You want, for the Truth is a Gift from God in the end. For it is nothing More than that in the end.

kevv729,
If truth = a then truth != b. Truth, if it exists must be a universal constant, to simply state that we create our own truths allows for infinite truths or the idea that everything can be true. If everything is true then effectively everything is as true as each other. If everything is as true as everything else then the ideal of babyslaughter and anti-social anarchism is as true as our concepts of virtue. Because babyslaughter and anti-social anarchism tend to be unacceptable to us the acceptance of such a truth as being valid would undermine everything so therefore we have a paradox, either vileness is a correct philosophy, or there are no truths, or the entire paradigm of each individual having self-created truth is wrong. Given the choice I would pick the last choice.

Truth cannot come entirely from within because of the unacceptability of nihilism(no truth exists because if all are equally valid then all equal 0), or extremist toleration(all is true therefore murder is as valid as carpentry), or of solipsism(outside forces are not true therefore the only truth is my will which is a philosophy that if practiced by a society would lead to anti-social anarchy), then the truth must be a universal constant.

Absolute truth is perfectly visible if truth exists, it can be seen after life. If we die and nothing arises after death then there was no truth, if there is an afterlife then truth will be revealed there. You believe in God, therefore you have accepted God as an absolute truth, God being an absolute truth means that the idea that God doesn't exist is not valid because God is considered an external force that is part of the universe. The existence of external forces is an absolute because there is no subjective answer on whether a dog exists or not(unless we want to get into an extreme philosophy of questioning all in which case finding a truth would be nearly impossible as our acceptance of all of existence is based on some assumptions

Ultimately, I believe that truth cannot be found within existentialism based on the logic given. Truth is not internal due to conflicting truths and the fact that truths found can be "evil" at least to full extent that we could define evil and yet by being true we would have no grounds to end this "evil". Simply put, truth is external because purely internal truths are often bad and could be the result of mental tampering/damage.

Awesomelyglorious

Truth may or may not be a universal constant I don't know. Can truth be defined in a scientific way or manner as You are doing here. Maybe it can or maybe it can not. I have Lived for 42 years have seen and done many things in My Life. There are absolute truths like 1+1=2, or is a dog real, and We both would say yes would We not. Science maybe will not truly never know if there is a All Absolute One Truth out there or not.

If somebody wants to be a baby-slaughter or a anti-social anarchism, these are concepts of virtue You are right. If somebody wants to live that way it does not make that person right in the end to do so.

You are seeing one way or the other is there Truth or Not. Is it that so black and white. Maybe in a Scientific Way it would be. Truth is to Me Beyond the Scientific Way, and its Understanding's and Knowledge's. Is there a Paradox in the Scientific Way there would be a Paradox. The Truth to Me come from within Me, I can not truly explain it I wish I could though but can not. Maybe in this way I can but would You understand it, to Me it is a feeling, it is a reasoning, it comes from within Me. This is not just a Religious Experience or something like that, for I Myself have tried to Reason it, and in the end Understand it. It may sound Like Religious Experience it is but it is not. God may or may not be. God is what God is, We again come to Your Scientific Way, Science can or can not explain if God exists or does not exists, God Existence is God Existence for it can not yet be proven or disproven today in the Scientific Way yet.

I Know what I must have said here sound Religious and not Scientific but that is the Way I see it. Though it is more than Religious to Me it is Spiritual to Me in the end. There is no true best Way Scientific or Any other Way to Explain it as I see it.

Well, I define truth scientifically because logic is believed by many to be a form of truth. It may be possible that logic is untrue but scientists and philosophers and really everybody has used logic to define their positions and to extend the reach of knowledge for years. I do not trust your spiritual/religious view on truth because it has failed to produce usable products. Science through its logic has devised thousands of inventions and thereby asserted logic to be an ally for humanity and a useful tool.

Truth may be beyond logic but if it is so then it is beyond our current knowing. We may guess the truth but we will never know if it is true or not if it cannot be linked logically to other aspects of truth. People have emotions and religions but we often define our reality through logic. However, I like the sciences and do tend towards an analytical view on things.